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Old 06-14-2001, 11:00 AM  
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Uh oh, Dr Z ABSOLUTELY RIPS APART Trent Green (and BBQ!)...

From the "I need some controversial statement ripping KC to generate discussion" department. Where was this comment on Trent Green when I needed it before the draft to discuss with Lamb fans why a first rounder is too much compensation? :)

[quote]From Tim of K.C.: "Suddenly all you beat writers seem to think that Elvis Grbac is the best thing to happen to the Ravens ... " I don't like to be addressed as "all you ... " How'd you like it if I said, "Well, all you BBQ eaters ... ?" Personally, I think BBQ is overrated. Take away sugar, and your barbecue would go poof. We seem to be straying. Oh yes, another thing. I'm not a beat writer. I'm a ... a ... (what am I, Linda?) "A beat-nik," she says. See what happens when you get started on an idiot topic? I haven't written a word about Elvis in Baltimore. I will now. Here it is: IMPROVEMENT . Trent Green in K.C.? He was kind of exposed when he had to carry the load in St. Louis. Not able to make the quick decisions or quick deliveries that Warner did. Who can? But still, a bit of the luster is off. [/quote]

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2001/06/08/drz_mailbag/[/url]

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Old 06-14-2001, 05:15 PM   #16
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It might have already been said but not only did Green's stint as the starter primarly consist of no Faulk and gimpy Faulk which is a monsterous difference when comparing Greens Won/Loss record to Warners but you guys don't have to stretch your memories too hard to look back to the Scrams/Chiefs game last year....With a healthy Faulk the 2nd half Scrams with Green at the helm played a hell of a lot better than the 1st half Scrams with Warner behind center...
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Old 06-14-2001, 05:42 PM   #17
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No...and I don't want to hear about it!:eek:
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Old 06-14-2001, 07:18 PM   #18
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Thats classic! Will you give notice to us when or if Dr. Z responds?

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Old 06-14-2001, 08:26 PM   #19
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Punisher,
I remember the days/weeks prior to the Green trade, and I can tell you that HC is being straight when he says he was on that wagon. I also remember thinking at the time, "How much is Green paying this guy?";)
I'd also be interested in Dr Z's response.
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Old 06-14-2001, 10:54 PM   #20
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I admit, I was totally against the proposed 1 and 3 for Green. Luckily, we got Horne and a 5th back and got to keep the 3rd, so decent job there Carl. Yeah I admit I was using the arguments about sacks and 2-3 record and unproven and knee when talking to Lambs fans about compensation. It's sort of like arbitration is in baseball. You may have a player you like, but you want to pay them as little salary as you have to, so you go in front of an arbitrator and rip them with every bad thing you can find. But once he's signed you sing his praises. Same thing here. During negotiations, I rip. Once he's on my side, the grass is greener, pun intended. At least until he ends up going 6-10 and getting exposed...
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Old 06-15-2001, 07:45 AM   #21
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Old 06-15-2001, 07:54 AM   #22
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Let's also face the fact that Dr. Z, while a fairly respected sports reporter/columnist has not exacly been a KC Chiefs fan. Going back over the past few years, he's picked us more often to lose than to win when he even mentions us in his column.

Like every other columnist, he has his favorites, plus his flavor of the day. Unless the Chiefs get on a run like the Ravens did last year, (and he didn't get on their bandwagon until the last possible minute), he's likely to ignore us at best.

I see him and a number of the "analysts" hired by CNN/SI as the Muhammed Ali's of reporting. Half of the readers hate him, half of the readers love him, but everyone pays to see him. His style is designed to be combattive, it attacts readers.

But I don't take him seriously.
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Old 06-15-2001, 11:25 AM   #23
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Aw, 58, don't sugar-coat it!!

Tell me how you [I]really[/I] feel about Girlsac!

HC: Great response to a clearly un-American media shill.

Only sugar in BBQ sauce?!?!? We've got to educate the unknowledgeable masses. Hell, it ain't even sugar in some of yer sweeter sauces, it's molasses!
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Old 06-15-2001, 04:25 PM   #24
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Green was sacked 24 times in those 5 starts.
Can't blame that on the Lambs' weak D.

I believe Green will be a net improvement over Elvis IF he stays healthy. Right now, I see Green out for at least 5-9 games. The idea of leaving him in the backfield without a blocking back scares me. And it might not be his knee this time. He will be playing in the AFC West and they come after the QBs here. Here's hoping he goes all 16 games, the pro bowl and the post season!

And here's hoping Bubby retires before camp is over!

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Old 06-15-2001, 04:39 PM   #25
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So you're saying that Dr Z is really Whitlock?
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Old 06-15-2001, 05:12 PM   #26
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Yeah Johnny, we <i>all</i> know how incredibly mobile Grbac was. That Elway-esque mobility must have been why he was sacked only 35 times last season. Has nothing at all to do with the OL play in KC. Nope, sure doesn't...
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Old 06-15-2001, 06:03 PM   #27
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HC Chief:

Actually, Grbac was dropped only 29x in an incredible 540 attempts. Yes, the Chiefs OL play was stellar in pass protect, but the Chiefs didn't leave their QB in the pocket with no blocking back very much either. Bottom line: KC's vertical game (5th best in NFL in passing) was largely the product of Grbac's rapid 7-step drops. He got back in the pocket quickly, deep and saw the field. Unfortunately, Green will be launching from a lot of 3-5 step drops if we run the Martzyball scheme and while that will produce some big #s, it is also bound to produce some big hits on Green.

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Old 06-15-2001, 06:18 PM   #28
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KCJ,

What's with the complete victim tag line. Doubt many people actually feel that way. I doubt if it is viewed as self-deprecating humor to most, and likely as self-pity to some.

I would drop it, and return to BB Chaplain. You did not ask for my advice so ignore it if you wish.

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Old 06-15-2001, 09:08 PM   #29
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Jim:
You are one of my favorite personalities and most admired people on the BB. Your advice, while often neglected to my own detriment, is always welcomed.

I can't be the BB Chaplain here. On the 'big' BB at kansascity.com I actually fielded quite a few opportunities to excercise chaplain-type ministry. I have never felt that welcomed or wanted here. This is more a members-only oriented site that has many strengths, but needs me like a hole a in the head. I am a complete football idiot inasmuch as I do not research obscure minutia about the team in order to generate discussion, but rather reflect on my own bombastic opinions as the basis of cyber-banter. No intent to attract pity.

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Old 06-16-2001, 12:30 AM   #30
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I like the StarBB Chaplain better as a sig line.

I think you are being hard on yourself. You just picked an odd time to go negative. While almost all of us are embracing change with a view of renewed optimism, you chose to go the opposite way. I know from past experience you can get down and have had to clean up my act when I brought you down in the past. Now you are down because the rest of us are optimistic about something you want to feel negative about.

Unfortunately there is little I can do to lift your spirits or morale, but I can tell you and I think most of the people on this BB would tell you that you are welcome here and when the season starts and the Chiefs lover we all know returns you will fit in great.

Johnny the Training camp starts in just a little over a month, strap on that old true optimism, start looking for all the good things, sweep the worries about the bad under the rug until we have played a couple of regular season games and you will be on top of the world.

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