Chiefs If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick. - Page 42

ShowtimeSBMVP · 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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**Tribal Warfare** · 05-07-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, and 2010 was supposed to suck. Some even predicted an 0-6 start.

look at the QB situation KC has a brittle player at the position as the starter Alex Smith has medical red flags such as a concussion history, bad knees, and recurrent throwing shoulder injuries which lead to surgery on it. Unless Daniel can carry the load when Smith goes down, 6-10 is very optimistic.

Sandy Vagina · 05-07-2013, 09:24 AM

The questions to really ask are... (1) how solid do you think the team as a whole is? ... and (2) do you feel Andy Reid is a good coach?

If the answer to both comes back positive? Then forget about last season's dismal record. With both answers being positive, then why not expect a winning record? Alex will do his part, but he won't likely carry a team that sucks in personnel around him +/or has poor coaching. (not many could in a year 1 offense, or maybe at any time)

What's been said has been said, but being hostile and nasty to other KC supporters isn't accomplishing anything. It just comes off as childish foot-stomping and pouting. Time to man up and believe in your team... at least until they give you substantial reason to throw in the towel. Forget the past BS, and fight on the side of your team.. not against them.

BigCatDaddy · 05-07-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

I don't know about you guys, but as much as I hate this trade, I'm finding myself okay with it now. I look at it like this:

We traded the 2014 2nd rd pick for Alex Smith
We drafted Bray in the second round of 2013

Yeah it's not what really happened, but it's the same result. And if that is how it happened, I believe everyone here would be fine with it.

Meh. That's pretty much how the Donks explained away the Maurice Clarrett pick. "It was just a comp pick so it's okay to piss it away!"

The fact that you picked up a guy as an UDFA doesn't excuse pissing away 2nd round picks.

BigCatDaddy · 05-07-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

The questions to really ask are... (1) how solid do you think the team as a whole is? ... and (2) do you feel Andy Reid is a good coach?

If the answer to both comes back positive? Then forget about last season's dismal record. With both answers being positive, then why not expect a winning record? Alex will do his part, but he won't likely carry a team that sucks in personnel around him +/or has poor coaching. (not many could in a year 1 offense, or maybe at any time)

What's been said has been said, but being hostile and nasty to other KC supporters isn't accomplishing anything. It just comes off as childish foot-stomping and pouting. Time to man up and believe in your team... at least until they give you substantial reason to throw in the towel. Forget the past BS, and fight on the side of your team.. not against them.

Go fist your mother.

Sandy Vagina · 05-07-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

look at the QB situation KC has a brittle player at the position as the starter Alex Smith has medical red flags such as a concussion history, bad knees, and recurrent throwing shoulder injuries which lead to surgery on it. Unless Daniel can carry the load when Smith goes down, 6-10 is very optimistic.

That's a bit dramatic, really. Alex's ankles and shoulder is no more likely to take further injury than any other QB. That stuff is old news that has had plenty of time to heal. Not an issue anymore.

The concussion he suffered was pretty minor (as minor as they can get). For the poor pass pro he's endured over the dark years, he's pretty resilient... played every snap in 2006 and 2011.

If someone really wants to reach for negatives, then I get it... his history of injury can appear troubling. But I have watched him in every game, and he's a tough SOB... mentally and physically.

**HemiEd** · 05-07-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, and 2010 was supposed to suck. Some even predicted an 0-6 start.

2010 DID SUCK!

It was the worst possible thing that could happen. The team beat nobody and was very lucky to win 10 games.
Cassel played one good game that he actually looked like an NFL QB against Seattle.
It cemented Cassel and Pioli for three more years of wasting time and false hope.
The further 2010 got in the rear view mirror, the more people forgot just how those 10 games were won, and they kept saying Cassel had a good year and was a Pro Bowler.
It was Jamaal Charles going crazy in spite of Cassel, not because of Cassel.

Sandy Vagina · 05-07-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Go fist your mother.

a very boring and childish response... strive to be better than this..

BigCatDaddy · 05-07-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

a very boring and childish response... strive to be better than this..

We've heard your bullshit already.

"Hey guys. Be happy with our trash! We already have a great QB that took us to a Superbowl, but we also have this guy that's not great, but better than what you had. So take him go from suck to average and be happy!"

It's old, it's tiring, and it's condescending. Now again, your time would be better spent with a good fisting of ma.

As far as I know we haven't had any fans of other QB needy teams saying how lucky we are to get a guy that in a career year was throwing for a buck eighty a game. Just a bunch of niner douche bags telling us how lucky we are to get to eat their steaming pile of shit.

**Tribal Warfare** · 05-07-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

That's a bit dramatic, really. Alex's ankles and shoulder is no more likely to take further injury than any other QB. That stuff is old news that has had plenty of time to heal. Not an issue anymore.

The concussion he suffered was pretty minor (as minor as they can get). For the poor pass pro he's endured over the dark years, he's pretty resilient... played every snap in 2006 and 2011.

If someone really wants to reach for negatives, then I get it... his history of injury can appear troubling. But I have watched him in every game, and he's a tough SOB... mentally and physically.

Smith has started two more games than Matt Cassel, and Alex had 4 year head start at that too. The guy is a walking mash unit, and has only completed two full seasons as a 1st string QB.

**HemiEd** · 05-07-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Smith has started two more games than Matt Cassel, and Alex had 4 year head start at that too. The guy is a walking mash unit, and has only completed two full seasons as a 1st string QB.

We are supposed to be happy about this! Yeah, more wasted seasons and talent. Woot!

patteeu · 05-07-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

We've heard your bullshit already.

"Hey guys. Be happy with our trash! We already have a great QB that took us to a Superbowl, but we also have this guy that's not great, but better than what you had. So take him go from suck to average and be happy!"

It's old, it's tiring, and it's condescending. Now again, your time would be better spent with a good fisting of ma.

As far as I know we haven't had any fans of other QB needy teams saying how lucky we are to get a guy that in a career year was throwing for a buck eighty a game. Just a bunch of niner douche bags telling us how lucky we are to get to eat their steaming pile of shit.

It's hard to avoid condescension when you're dealing with people who are throwing irrational tantrums like toddlers.

ceebz · 05-07-2013, 10:04 AM

Are people really excited about Bray? The kid is the prototypical underachiever. Zzzzzz

BigCatDaddy · 05-07-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's hard to avoid condescension when you're dealing with people who are throwing irrational tantrums like toddlers.

You can only handle someone trying to tell you that the used Volvo they sold you is a brand new Vette for so long.

**HemiEd** · 05-07-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ceebz

Are people really excited about Bray? The kid is the prototypical underachiever. Zzzzzz

It's the life of a Chiefs fan.

Be happy with a re-tread proven failure, or hope like hell that they "catch lightning in a jug" with a 5th round to UFA pick up. **sigh**

I am all for the lightning in the jug, as the rest of this story has already been written several times.

ceebz · 05-07-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

It's the life of a Chiefs fan.

Be happy with a re-tread proven failure, or hope like hell that they "catch lightning in a jug" with a 5th round to UFA pick up. **sigh**

I am all for the lightning in the jug, as the rest of this story has already been written several times.

Understood. However, Bray is Jeff George incarnate. Cannon for an arm, cat food for brains. Hoping that he'll all of a sudden "get it" as a pro, is just setting yourself up for more heartbreak.

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3726009	If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick. A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season. So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2SWCd8Gea
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Sandy Vagina Still Got The Blues (For You) Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10014178	The questions to really ask are... (1) how solid do you think the team as a whole is? ... and (2) do you feel Andy Reid is a good coach? If the answer to both comes back positive? Then forget about last season's dismal record. With both answers being positive, then why not expect a winning record? Alex will do his part, but he won't likely carry a team that sucks in personnel around him +/or has poor coaching. (not many could in a year 1 offense, or maybe at any time) What's been said has been said, but being hostile and nasty to other KC supporters isn't accomplishing anything. It just comes off as childish foot-stomping and pouting. Time to man up and believe in your team... at least until they give you substantial reason to throw in the towel. Forget the past BS, and fight on the side of your team.. not against them.
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