Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-14-2013, 10:13 AM  
Skyy God Skyy God is offline
11-5, baby
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Livin the dream
Casino cash: $2191557
Maryville teen allegedly raped by football player

And wasn't prosecuted (probably) because the rapist's family was politically connected. There's no excuse for at least statutory under the facts as presented. Also. dude should probably avoid saying rape-y things on social media if he's still within the statute of limitations.

Quote:
Here's a depressing story that will bring back memories of the Steubenville rape case. It begins with a 14-year-old drunk girl getting dumped on her porch by the high school football player who had just allegedly raped her, and it ends with her family being driven out of town by an unsupportive community.

A horrifying story out of Missouri: A mother was run out of a small town after her daughter blacked out at a party filled with older high school athletes and was left, with clear marks of rape, on the front lawn of her home in freezing weather.

The Kansas City Star details how the small town of Maryville turned against a newly-arrived family after 14-year-old Daisy Coleman reported that an older athlete had sex with her while another older male videotaped, after she was given an alcoholic drink at a party that left her barely able to stand. Her friend, a 13-year-old, was also made to have non-consensual sex.

After a thorough investigation by the local police however, clearly implicating 17-year-old Matthew Barnett in the sexual assault, charges were inexplicably dropped by the prosecuting attorney. Barnett, coincidentally, is the grandson of a prominent former Missouri state representative.

Star reporter Dugan Arnett writes,

Sexual assault cases can be difficult to build because of factors such as a lack of physical evidence or inconsistent statements by witnesses. But by the time his department had concluded its investigation, Sheriff Darren White felt confident the office had put together a case that would “absolutely” result in prosecutions.

“Within four hours, we had obtained a search warrant for the house and executed that,” White told The Star. “We had all of the suspects in custody and had audio/video confessions.

“I would defy the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department to do what we did and get it wrapped up as nicely as we did in that amount of time.”

But no prosecutions ever came. The charges were dropped by the prosecuting attorney who didn't believe the evidence was strong enough. He dismissed any idea that political influence had anything to do with his decision.

In the meantime, the town had already begun to turn on the Coleman family. Threatening phone calls and online threats were directed at the family. Melinda Coleman had moved to the town with her four children after her husband, a physician, had died in a car accident. She was easily targeted by the community for being an outsider.
The parent of one of the teens at the Barnett house that night was the only one to comment briefly to The Star: “Our boys deserve an apology, and they haven’t gotten it yet.”

In a later interview, Rice [the prosecuting attorney] called it a case of “incorrigible teenagers” drinking alcohol and having sex. “They were doing what they wanted to do, and there weren’t any consequences. And it’s reprehensible. But is it criminal? No.”

Robert Sundell, who represented Barnett, echoed that sentiment: “Just because we don’t like the way teenagers act doesn’t necessarily make it a crime.”

After the charges were dropped, things just got worse for Melinda and Daisy Coleman. Daisy has struggled with depression and attempted suicide. Melinda had to move away from Maryville and back to the town she had lived in with her now-deceased husband. In April, the house in Maryville she still owned burned down under mysterious circumstances.

And Matthew Barnett, the young man accused by Coleman of raping her? He's attending the University of Central Missouri and apparently having a great time:

In a recent retweet, he expressed his views on women — and their desire for his sexual attentions — this way:

“If her name begins with A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z, she wants the D."
http://gawker.com/family-gets-driven...23656/@Tom_Ley
Posts: 22,416
Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:43 AM   #16
Canofbier Canofbier is offline
¡RIOS MIO!
 
Canofbier's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Minneapolis
Casino cash: $6076981
Quote:
Originally Posted by oh_snap View Post
Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oh_snap View Post
You can prosecute the parents with a fine of some sort for their kids drinking underage. But I honestly think our laws are too leniant on minors. You make a dumb decision as a "minor", you should face the same consequences as if you were an adult.

Is murder any lesser of a crime because the person who murdered was under the age of 18? If you do the crime, you face the same punishment regardless of your age. That is the way it should be anyways.
I'm sure that you led a responsible, thoughtful and squeaky-clean life when you were a young teenager. Not. She was at a party because she's a teenage girl who wants to make friends and appear cool to her peers. She got blackout drunk because she has no idea how to drink responsibly yet.

It's scientific fact that people of that age haven't fully developed emotionally, mentally or physically, so I don't see the logic in expecting them to act as if they have.
Posts: 4,303
Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Canofbier has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:45 AM   #17
WhiteWhale WhiteWhale is offline
Bring it on Ahab!
 
WhiteWhale's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Doo-Dah
Casino cash: $10015152
Quote:
Originally Posted by oh_snap View Post
Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
Read the article.

1. She was dumped off on her front lawn in freezing weather. That doesn't scream consensual anything.

2. They confessed.

I like how you make it all about her though. Those poor guys... they're the REAL victims huh?
Posts: 14,861
WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:45 AM   #18
Tombstone RJ Tombstone RJ is offline
Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire!
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver
Casino cash: $10012184
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cave Johnson View Post
And your point is????
that when the rape allegedly happened the perp was 17 years of age or younger right? He was possibly 16? So he was under the age of 18 which is when a minor becomes a major or am I wrong?
__________________
ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!

Posts: 6,151
Tombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:47 AM   #19
WhiteWhale WhiteWhale is offline
Bring it on Ahab!
 
WhiteWhale's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Doo-Dah
Casino cash: $10015152
Quote:
Originally Posted by oh_snap View Post
You can prosecute the parents with a fine of some sort for their kids drinking underage. But I honestly think our laws are too leniant on minors. You make a dumb decision as a "minor", you should face the same consequences as if you were an adult.

Is murder any lesser of a crime because the person who murdered was under the age of 18? If you do the crime, you face the same punishment regardless of your age. That is the way it should be anyways.
Holding children as accountable as adults is the 2nd dumbest thing you've posted on this thread.

I think I've figured out the problem.

It's you.
Posts: 14,861
WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.WhiteWhale is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:47 AM   #20
Tombstone RJ Tombstone RJ is offline
Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire!
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver
Casino cash: $10012184
PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS,PROSECUTE THE PARENTS, PROSECUTE THE PARENTS
__________________
ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!

Posts: 6,151
Tombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:48 AM   #21
warpaint* warpaint* is offline
Facts are stubborn things.
 
warpaint*'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Casino cash: $7104900
Quote:
Originally Posted by oh_snap View Post
Not saying rape is okay. It clearly is not. But what the hell is a 14 year old doing at a party, and why the hell did she get black out drunk? We can talk peer pressure, but no one made her get drunk (unless we're talking roofie drunk).

Back in college, I can remember false calls of rape happening a lot. Girls get drunk, sleep with someone they wouldn't normally sleep with, then cry rape the day after. Happened to a mate of mine. Nearly ruined his life as well. Then the girls story unraveled and she admitted finally that it was consensual.

Anyways, clearly a 14 year old shouldn't be out partying and drinking and getting drunk. You're just asking for trouble. Strong parenting.
I don't anybody would claim she didn't use poor judgement in terms of putting herself in a bad situation but that's aside to a bunch of kids from well connected families potentially getting away w/ multiple felonies.
__________________
Posts: 1,573
warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:48 AM   #22
Skyy God Skyy God is offline
11-5, baby
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Livin the dream
Casino cash: $2191557
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ View Post
that when the rape allegedly happened the perp was 17 years of age or younger right? He was possibly 16? So he was under the age of 18 which is when a minor becomes a major or am I wrong?
Star article said he was 17. Not only was he above the age of consent, there's nothing in the MO statute (that I'm aware of) preventing a minor from being prosecuted for statutory. It's probably exceedingly rare, though.
Posts: 22,416
Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:48 AM   #23
Tombstone RJ Tombstone RJ is offline
Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire!
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver
Casino cash: $10012184
So tired of arguing this point, so very tired of it...
__________________
ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!

Posts: 6,151
Tombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:50 AM   #24
Tombstone RJ Tombstone RJ is offline
Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire!
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver
Casino cash: $10012184
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cave Johnson View Post
Star article said he was 17. Not only was he above the age of consent, there's nothing in the MO statute (that I'm aware of) preventing a minor from being prosecuted for statutory. It's probably exceedingly rare, though.
But he was below the age of being able to legally drink? MO is stupid.
__________________
ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!

Posts: 6,151
Tombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliTombstone RJ 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:51 AM   #25
tooge tooge is offline
MVP
 
tooge's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Liberty, MO
Casino cash: $4014112
there is wrong all over this deal. However, if I'm the mother of rapist boy, hes getting his ball shot off at some point
Posts: 14,954
tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.tooge is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:53 AM   #26
Iowanian Iowanian is offline
Supporter
 
Iowanian's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Utopia
Casino cash: $4818454
At the very least making or possessing a video tape of a 13 or 14 year old girl having sex would be child pornography. High School seniors have no business banging 13 year old girls.
Posts: 61,511
Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.Iowanian is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:53 AM   #27
Skyy God Skyy God is offline
11-5, baby
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Livin the dream
Casino cash: $2191557
Small town values, amirite!! They need to Dresden that town.

Quote:
At a dance competition, Melinda Coleman says, a girl arrived wearing a homemade shirt: Matt 1, Daisy 0.
Posts: 22,416
Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:56 AM   #28
IA_Chiefs_fan IA_Chiefs_fan is offline
Supporter
 
IA_Chiefs_fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2002
Casino cash: $2459714
The girl may be a little void of strong parenting, but not necessarily due to neglect. Unless I'm confusing two stories, my wife told me her dad was a doctor who died not too long ago in a car wreck. This is so sad.
Posts: 2,030
IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.IA_Chiefs_fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:57 AM   #29
warpaint* warpaint* is offline
Facts are stubborn things.
 
warpaint*'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Casino cash: $7104900
Ya the article mentions that.
__________________
Posts: 1,573
warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.warpaint* is too fat/Omaha.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:58 AM   #30
Skyy God Skyy God is offline
11-5, baby
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Livin the dream
Casino cash: $2191557
Quote:
Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan View Post
The girl may be a little void of strong parenting, but not necessarily due to neglect. Unless I'm confusing two stories, my wife told me her dad was a doctor who died not too long ago in a car wreck. This is so sad.
And her mother was a vet. It's not like she came from an obviously dysfunctional family background.
Posts: 22,416
Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:50 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.