Misc ***The Official 2014 Gardening Thread*** - Page 8

dmahurin · 04-11-2014, 02:34 PM

So what is everyone planting this year? Trying anything new or different? I've already got potatoes in the ground and I'm trying an herb garden this year. I've started cilantro, oregano, and basil in planter pots from seed and will transfer to a 55 gallon drum cut in half length wise and laid on its side with drain holes.

Overall I'm going with tomatoes, green beans, peppers(jalapeño/bell), broccoli, lettuce, and the aforementioned potatoes.

**Buehler445** · 12-14-2015, 01:11 AM

Wife has informed me that I am installing raised beds in our house in the spring. Any advice would be welcomed.

HonestChieffan · 12-14-2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Wife has informed me that I am installing raised beds in our house in the spring. Any advice would be welcomed.

Ive done it. It really can help. It is hard work. It cannot be automated or done with a tractor in a normal garden. You should have built them in the fall. They warm up sooner in spring and dry out quicker.

All in, wife wants them. You do them. She will tell you what shecwants and probably has pictures. Have fun with it.

**Buehler445** · 12-14-2015, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Ive done it. It really can help. It is hard work. It cannot be automated or done with a tractor in a normal garden. You should have built them in the fall. They warm up sooner in spring and dry out quicker.

All in, wife wants them. You do them. She will tell you what shecwants and probably has pictures. Have fun with it.

Fall wasn't an option. I just got moved in at the end of November.

So when you did yours did you put topsoil over top of a weed barrier? I think I need to. There is some bindweed and bermuda grass around. How much top soil did you use?

HonestChieffan · 12-14-2015, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Fall wasn't an option. I just got moved in at the end of November.

So when you did yours did you put topsoil over top of a weed barrier? I think I need to. There is some bindweed and bermuda grass around. How much top soil did you use?

No, i just used the garden soil and built beds about 36 inches wide and used 2by 12 sides. Used a shovel to fill the beds... Wont a weed barrier also be a barrier to the garden plants? And bindweed sucks bigtime. Thank goodness we dont have bindweed to deal with like you do. In time the wood rotted and we went back flat.

**Buehler445** · 12-14-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

No, i just used the garden soil and built beds about 36 inches wide and used 2by 12 sides. Used a shovel to fill the beds... Wont a weed barrier also be a barrier to the garden plants? And bindweed sucks bigtime. Thank goodness we dont have bindweed to deal with like you do. In time the wood rotted and we went back flat.

I was going to use railroad ties.

The weed barrier would, indeed be a barrier to the garden plants, that's why I asked how much soil you used. I don't know what the water holding capacity for whatever I'd use in there would be. Our ET rate is pretty nasty in the summer due to single digit humidity. I'd imagine it's similar to grass crops where the most of the root mass is in the top foot.

Bindweed makes me want to kill kittens. Bermuda grass is just about as bad in town. There are just too many roots. I don't think there is a lot around my house, but there is a pile of it in town, so I don't want to take any chances of it getting in there.

Another reason I want to go with raised beds is the soil in town is junk. Every yard I've dug around in town has been either basin dirt or REALLY high pH soil from digging the basement.

If the wife and I had more time I'd put up a greenhouse by this well we have that doesn't pump enough to do any good. But I'm pretty sure all I've got time for is a raised bed.

Just Passin' By · 12-14-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I was going to use railroad ties.

The weed barrier would, indeed be a barrier to the garden plants, that's why I asked how much soil you used. I don't know what the water holding capacity for whatever I'd use in there would be. Our ET rate is pretty nasty in the summer due to single digit humidity. I'd imagine it's similar to grass crops where the most of the root mass is in the top foot.

Bindweed makes me want to kill kittens. Bermuda grass is just about as bad in town. There are just too many roots. I don't think there is a lot around my house, but there is a pile of it in town, so I don't want to take any chances of it getting in there.

Another reason I want to go with raised beds is the soil in town is junk. Every yard I've dug around in town has been either basin dirt or REALLY high pH soil from digging the basement.

If the wife and I had more time I'd put up a greenhouse by this well we have that doesn't pump enough to do any good. But I'm pretty sure all I've got time for is a raised bed.

There are some issues with railroad ties and pressure treated wood (creosote and preservatives) that you may want to look into before you go down that avenue, just so you have all the current information when you make your decision.

**Buehler445** · 12-14-2015, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There are some issues with railroad ties and pressure treated wood (creosote and preservatives) that you may want to look into before you go down that avenue, just so you have all the current information when you make your decision.

I'll look into that. Thanks.

**lewdog** · 12-14-2015, 03:47 PM

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Looks good Lew. I would have put down a weed barrier.

I've been told they don't do much good here plus that side of the yard has never had grass or anything on it. We get those random weeds through the rocks very sporadically but that's it. Never any grass sprouts from anything in the desert!

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If you're going to put up a trellis get green beans. They're easier to grow and a hell of a lot quicker payoff.

I love green beans.

Noted. I want to trellis the back wall so maybe beans, tomatoes, tomatillos and grapes.

**SAUTO** · 12-14-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

If you're going to put up a trellis get green beans. They're easier to grow and a hell of a lot quicker payoff.

I love green beans.

I love green beans too. Right off the plant even

BigOlChiefsfan · 12-14-2015, 04:47 PM

Re: green beans and a trellis - try some 'italian/Romano' style pole beans. Still my favorite tasting green bean.

http://http://foodandstyle.com/romano-beans-with-butter-shallots-and-chives/

ETA - if you set the trellis up early, you can get a crop of sugar snap peas or snow peas in before your beans. Only gardeners and zillionaires get to eat all the snow peas they want.

bobbymitch · 12-14-2015, 05:29 PM

If you put in a raised bed, at least till the ground before you add the bed. This will allow the water to soak through and plant roots to grow down. Look for rock or plastic sides for the bed. Run away from any wood. If using rock, you may need to add a weed barrier across the inside, basically just to keep the soil from leaching out. And yes, you will need to hand pick weeds/grass as they sprout. Mulch will help, but them little buggers still will try to establish themselves.

**lewdog** · 02-13-2016, 01:11 PM

Garden is rocking here in Phoenix! Hit it early before it gets hot as ****!

Top left is small corn shoots coming through. In front of that, some potato sprouts you can't see. Flame Seedless grape vine in front of the wooden trellis. Cherry tomatoes in the blue cage, Phoenix Tomato in red cage, small plant next to red cage is Red Pepper plant, in front of that Jalapeno. Romaine lettuce heads with one red leaf lettuce plant in back of those. Oregano up front.

Closer look at grape vines and corn. Planted 3 corn seeds per hole and was told to keep strongest looking one once they reach 6 inches? I am excited as **** for the grapes but not sure how to prune and train it to grow up the trellis. Will be a learning experience.

**Buehler445** · 02-13-2016, 01:22 PM

Sweet corn?

**lewdog** · 02-13-2016, 01:23 PM

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Sweet corn?

Yes, sorry.

Anything else I should know other than I should have probably planted a third row to help pollination but I didn't because I ran out of space?

This is also a pretty big experiment. I have crammed a lot into a small space. It may or may not work. I'm ok with that for my first year.

**lewdog** · 02-13-2016, 01:33 PM

Also Buehler, I read that I should get a straight nitrogen fertilizer? something like 46-0-0. Is that true?

Also, I love sweet baby corn that you find in Chinese food. Trouble is that shit's expensive. Someone told me I can just pick sweet corn when it's immature and it's the same thing?

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dmahurin Veteran Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1814896	*The Official 2014 Gardening Thread* So what is everyone planting this year? Trying anything new or different? I've already got potatoes in the ground and I'm trying an herb garden this year. I've started cilantro, oregano, and basil in planter pots from seed and will transfer to a 55 gallon drum cut in half length wise and laid on its side with drain holes. Overall I'm going with tomatoes, green beans, peppers(jalapeño/bell), broccoli, lettuce, and the aforementioned potatoes.
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BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Shawnee KS Casino cash: $7280157	Re: green beans and a trellis - try some 'italian/Romano' style pole beans. Still my favorite tasting green bean. http://http://foodandstyle.com/romano-beans-with-butter-shallots-and-chives/ ETA - if you set the trellis up early, you can get a crop of sugar snap peas or snow peas in before your beans. Only gardeners and zillionaires get to eat all the snow peas they want. __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
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bobbymitch Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Midwest coast Casino cash: $9893512	If you put in a raised bed, at least till the ground before you add the bed. This will allow the water to soak through and plant roots to grow down. Look for rock or plastic sides for the bed. Run away from any wood. If using rock, you may need to add a weed barrier across the inside, basically just to keep the soil from leaching out. And yes, you will need to hand pick weeds/grass as they sprout. Mulch will help, but them little buggers still will try to establish themselves. __________________ This is the place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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lewdog Mod Team Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Valley of the hot as **** Casino cash: $2001900	Garden is rocking here in Phoenix! Hit it early before it gets hot as **! Top left is small corn shoots coming through. In front of that, some potato sprouts you can't see. Flame Seedless grape vine in front of the wooden trellis. Cherry tomatoes in the blue cage, Phoenix Tomato in red cage, small plant next to red cage is Red Pepper plant, in front of that Jalapeno. Romaine lettuce heads with one red leaf lettuce plant in back of those. Oregano up front. Closer look at grape vines and corn. Planted 3 corn seeds per hole and was told to keep strongest looking one once they reach 6 inches? I am excited as ** for the grapes but not sure how to prune and train it to grow up the trellis. Will be a learning experience.
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2414734	Sweet corn?
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02-13-2016, 01:33 PM	#120
lewdog Mod Team Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Valley of the hot as **** Casino cash: $2001900	Also Buehler, I read that I should get a straight nitrogen fertilizer? something like 46-0-0. Is that true? Also, I love sweet baby corn that you find in Chinese food. Trouble is that shit's expensive. Someone told me I can just pick sweet corn when it's immature and it's the same thing?
Posts: 45,555

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