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OLB Bjoern Werner starts to fall, Chiefs package both 2nds to move up to 16 and grab him. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 2 4.76%
B 5 11.90%
C 11 26.19%
D 6 14.29%
F 12 28.57%
S Kenny Vaccaro starts to fall, Chiefs package 2a and 3a to move up and get him at 18. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 1 2.38%
B 6 14.29%
C 8 19.05%
D 4 9.52%
F 10 23.81%
WR Keenan Allen starts to fall, Chiefs package 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 6 14.29%
F 9 21.43%
TE Tyler Eifert starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 3a to get him at 21. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 2 4.76%
B 10 23.81%
C 5 11.90%
D 5 11.90%
F 9 21.43%
WR Cordarrelle Patterson starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to move up and get him at 25. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 9 21.43%
B 9 21.43%
C 4 9.52%
D 3 7.14%
F 8 19.05%
OLB Damontre Moore starts falling, Chiefs package a 2b and 4th to get him at 25. (don't select this option) 6 14.29%
A 3 7.14%
B 8 19.05%
C 7 16.67%
D 7 16.67%
F 7 16.67%
DE Margus Hunt starts falling, Chiefs package 2b and a 4th to get him at 28. (don't select this option) 5 11.90%
A 3 7.14%
B 5 11.90%
C 6 14.29%
D 6 14.29%
F 10 23.81%
WR Justin Hunter starts falling. Chiefs package 2a and a 4th to get him at 30. (don't select this option) 7 16.67%
A 3 7.14%
B 7 16.67%
C 3 7.14%
D 7 16.67%
F 11 26.19%
DaneMcCloud loves little children in uncomfortable, inappropriate ways. 17 40.48%
Seriously, **** Dane. 13 30.95%
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:25 AM  
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Let's say the Chiefs land 2 2nds. How would you grade these moves back into the 1st?
Chiefs trade away Branden Albert for a 2nd rounder, which gives them a pick in the middle of the 2nd.

Chiefs trade down from 1.1 to 1.4 with the Eagles, giving them a 2nd rounder atop the round.

That gives the Chiefs:

1st rounder (1.4)
2a
2b
3a
3b (compensatory -- untradeable)
4
5
6a
6b
7

So let's say an attractive player starts falling in the first, and the Chiefs package some of these picks to make a move. How would you grade it, based on the player?

Poll to come. It will take a few minutes.

Edit: I forgot to mention the Chiefs went with Joeckel or Fisher with the 1st pick.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:05 AM   #16
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You are starting wayyyy too many threads.
Really?

Should we have more threads where CP members are calling each other out? More threads about the Cardinals?

Any thread that is a good topic regarding the Chiefs on a Chiefs board sounds good to me. Call me crazy.

Back to the topic...

I know given his size and Dex he's not necessarily a need for us but if we trade back into the first to get WRs (some others on this list), I'd rather it just be Tavon Austin. I don't care that he's short. He's a special talent.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:06 AM   #17
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Interpret it however you want, I suppose.
There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:09 AM   #18
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:11 AM   #19
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I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.
Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:17 AM   #20
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Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.
I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:23 AM   #22
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Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.
Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.
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Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?
Tough question...

I guess I'll be bitter until the last 30 years of Chiefs logic proves the world wrong.
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There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...
My grade for your interpretation is F.
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My grade for your interpretation is F.
That's ok.

I would expect someone that doesn't understand what happens when you move from 1.1 to 1.4 to have a headache, requiring a face palm.
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So from what I'm reading, Chiefsplanet doesn't like trading up. I voted mid to low grades for positions I don't feel we need as much help in. And higher grades for specific players that also fit specific needs. I don't think you trade up for any BPA unless it also fills a hole. WR is a huge hole, so I voted high grades for Patterson, and Allen. I also gave a higher grade for Margus Hunt because I really, really like him, and we need help on the D-Line.
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I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.
I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.
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So from what I'm reading, Chiefsplanet doesn't like trading up. I voted mid to low grades for positions I don't feel we need as much help in. And higher grades for specific players that also fit specific needs. I don't think you trade up for any BPA unless it also fills a hole. WR is a huge hole, so I voted high grades for Patterson, and Allen. I also gave a higher grade for Margus Hunt because I really, really like him, and we need help on the D-Line.
I'd add to that and say it should also be a player that you had valued considerably higher than you'd be taking him. Otherwise, I'd wait and hope he fell to my regular pick (or to a pick that wouldn't cost as much to trade up for).
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