Neenah, Wisconsin cops stop men open carry stop

[demonhero]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1384076493



I hate cops. inb4 political board.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

reductio ad absurdum

Jokio **** offum

[ClevelandBronco]

"He's free to be stupid. I guess that's the bottom line."

That's a good cop, IMHO.

[duncan_idaho]

Wow. Seeing cops like them makes me understand my wife (a prosecutor) when she talks about the guys/gals she just loves on the force.

Typically, other cops hate the "asshole" cops just as much as everyone else, if not more.

I'm really impressed with the way that officer handled this. Kept things calm and professional. Respected the two guys' rights. Investigated the situation. Let them go about their way and asked questions to try to know what calls they'd be getting down the road.

Personally, I'll never understand the open carry fanatics. And I'll be honest, it definitely contributes to concerns I have about the "cowboy culture" I perceive in some (not all, not even many, just "some") folks that are all fired up about right to carry and concealed carry, etc.

[HoneyBadger]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

See this goes much larger and into a deeper rabbit hole than just how an officer feels when they see a citizen w/ a weapon.

We can all agree, that most violent crimes committed w/ guns are from the inner city trash, mostly gang related, blacks and other minorities (mostly) shooting each other up. It's not a ****in secret, it's on your nightly 10pm news every ****ing day. With the help of mass media, guns have been portrayed as these mass murdering killing weapons and that we need to all run and hide because one day we could walk outside and some nutcase might open fire on somebody.

Guns are no longer used for sport, they're no longer used for protection, they're no longer used for trading or collecting, they're no longer an asset. They're simply devices used to murder innocent people and kill cops. Over the past 50 yrs the media and govt have been shoving this idea down people's throats and have done a hell of a job doing it. 50 yrs ago everyone had guns, everyone for the most part knew how to use one and felt comfortable around one...even women, and most people were introduced to it at a young age. My dad used to bring his shotgun to HS w/ him and kept it in his truck because after school him and his friends would go down to the river (he lived on the Illinois River outside Peoria, IL) and they'd shoot duck, squirrel, anything living thing that ****ing moved lol. You get my point though. Everyone did that back then.

I posted this scenario the other day, but I'll do it again. Cops are trained now not to help anyone who's stranded on the side of the road. They're SOP is to call in assistance w/ a local wrecker and have the vehicle towed, even if it's calling for a simple tire change. Let's say it's a woman driver, and she's alone. Tire goes flat and she pulls over. Deputy Doofy comes rolling by in his squad car and the woman asks the cop if he knows how to change a flat tire. Well instead of answering her question, when it's clear what her situation is, the cop will more than likely ignore her, and will proceed to ask her a bunch of loaded irrelevant questions like Where are you going, where were you coming from, etc. They'll ask for ID even though they don't have the right to do so, because you know they want to protect you by running your shit through their datebase systems to make sure you don't owe these crooks any ****in money, and if you don't then they'll write you a ticket for something completely reeruned so that you can pay your dues to the justice system. Denying them access to your personal info or not giving them consent to search your vehicle WILL ONLY escalate the situation. We may have rights, but in the end cops don't really ****ing care. They're not there to protect you. Cops show up after the crime has already been committed in most cases. It's very rare for a local patrol cop to see and actual live robbery or something being committed, unless one happens to be right around the corner or something. Ever called 911 and have the cops show up an hr later?

There are good cops out there. More and more we're seeing good cops become stupid ones because they're getting told what to do from higher ups and other people pulling the strings and all they want is a paycheck so they can feed their family. I get that. But here soon there's going to come a day where they're going to have to make a choice, because shit's going to hit the fan. Obama and his goons are already testing people in the military asking them if they would be "willing" to fire upon American citizens. Can you believe that shit? The ones that tell em to go to hell don't get promoted, the ones that oblige get put into special task forces through DHS where they run martial law drills to help confiscate guns from the American people. What did they do during Katrina? They went to the richer parts of the area and came inside people's houses and demanded they hand over their firearms.

All this shit is coming to form. It's kinda scary what this country's become. I'm still fairly young, but a LOT of shit has changed for the worse within just the past 10 yrs. We come to find out we've been backing, financing, and running the same terrorist group that supposedly caused 9/11 to happen? Well anyone with a ****in brain would ask...Well then what are these radiant nude body scanners for at the airport and why do you get groped and fondled upon if you refuse to go through it? Ever heard of the 4th amendment? Is that suspended via public travel now? What's the Patriot Act for? How about NDAA? It's not to find AQ terrorist cells...besides most AQ living here in the US are hidden and protected by the US govt. I mean those hijackers were being trained by our own military, were given visas by our own justice dept, were set up housing by our own CIA, took flying lessons but couldn't even fly a Cessna. I can fly a Cessna and have been able to since i was 15....it's not a hard plane to fly. Very simple. These ****ing assholes can barely drive cars wtf makes you think they can navigate a 737 jetliner into a city filled w/ skyscrapers, perfect direct hits.

**** it...I'm tired. We're all gonna be so ****ed. More people are taking out of SS than there are putting into it. It's a flawed system. Our govt is completely out of control and the scary part is that they don't care. Maybe a handfull of them do...that's about it. The people in charge have their own agenda and they sit in front of you and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and we have morons like Direkshun and Cosmo and others and religiously defense and praise Obama at every turn. The guy's a liar. You're seeing that w/ this HC bill being implemented. I hope they never get it working because it would only force the govt to start the **** over. Impeach the judges that called this constitutional because they're bought and paid for. Get rid of all the morons that voted for it, whether they wanted to or if Obama threatened or bought them out doesn't matter. This govt needs a complete house cleaning. And there are A LOT of people from this admin and the past that need to see jail time.

Blah blah blah. You know where I stopped reading? Where you started to talk about why cops don't help people with flat tires.

Do you know why they stopped doing that? Seriously, do you?

It's because of liability, too many dumbasses suing the police because when they tried to help fix a flat or jump a car the police caused some little damaged and got sued. The public has dug their own hole.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Blah blah blah. You know where I stopped reading? Where you started to talk about why cops don't help people with flat tires.

Do you know why they stopped doing that? Seriously, do you?

It's because of liability, too many dumbasses suing the police because when they tried to help fix a flat or jump a car the police caused some little damaged and got sued. The public has dug their own hole.

I've seen Highway Patrol here in MO help change tires and help with other roadside bullshit a number of times. City and county no.

Had one direct traffic while I was changing a flat on 29 and chase down a big rig that almost clipped both of us. That's been a few years.

[Bambi]

The social stigma of walking around with a rifle is far more damaging to these guys than a cop can ever do.

Good luck to them.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try to use your head.

1.) Open carry is useless if you don't actually carry openly.

2.) If carrying openly results in police stops when it happens, just because someone's carrying, that's a problem with the law and/or law officers.

I hope this helps you understand.

But you can carry concealed, knowing carrying open invites prejudices. Right or wrong, open carriers are trying to prove a point OR about to commit a horrible act, that's reality. I KNOW I can open carry but CHOOSE not to because it defeats the purpose of carrying in the first place; open carry only puts a target (political/real) on you. Doing it with a camera signifies to me (someone who agrees with the right to carry; for law/constitution upstanding Americans) that you only want the 5 seconds of Internet fame.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

reductio ad absurdum

Come on, brother. You really want me and other cops to turn a blind eye to an open carrier walking with an AK or AR to the school your kids go to? Or nearby a college your friend goes to, etc etc..... Wouldn't you rather I take a concerned, professional look? You have to realize the slippery slope you are suggesting.

It's just not as simple as "I can therefore should be able to". If you have a legit reason to, why carry a camera? You're bucking the trend, and in today's day and age and news stories, I have to question your motive.

We live in a world full of gray....

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

But you can carry concealed, knowing carrying open invites prejudices. Right or wrong, open carriers are trying to prove a point OR about to commit a horrible act, that's reality. I KNOW I can open carry but CHOOSE not to because it defeats the purpose of carrying in the first place; open carry only puts a target (political/real) on you. Doing it with a camera signifies to me (someone who agrees with the right to carry; for law/constitution upstanding Americans) that you only want the 5 seconds of Internet fame.

You are also supposed to be able to carry open. And talking about KNOW/CHOOSE just shows that you don't actually ACCEPT.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Come on, brother. You really want me and other cops to turn a blind eye to an open carrier walking with an AK or AR to the school your kids go to? Or nearby a college your friend goes to, etc etc..... Wouldn't you rather I take a concerned, professional look? You have to realize the slippery slope you are suggesting.

Not at all. I've already stated in this thread that I have no problem with a cop coming up and having a conversation with me were I carrying a rifle down the street.

I'm arguing with the notion that this had anything to do with CCW and/or how open carrying somehow plays into a wild west mentality of taking justice into our hands as suggested, apparently jokingly, by C_T.

It's just not as simple as "I can therefore should be able to". If you have a legit reason to, why carry a camera? You're bucking the trend, and in today's day and age and news stories, I have to question your motive.

We live in a world full of gray....

I would think that seeing that there is a camera filming some yokels walking down main street would tip off a LEO that these are likely some jackasses trying to get some hits on youtube. If you are going to approach them... why play into their game? Why give them something to put on youtube?

I get it... I do. I never enjoy reading news articles about a LEO losing his life but there has to be a balance somewhere.

[Eleazar]

There's nothing wrong with police making contact with someone they see carrying a weapon and assessing the situation. If you are carrying one you should expect that and handle yourself accordingly. If you are carrying one openly you should expect it even more frequently.