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Old 11-07-2012, 03:34 PM  
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Boehner Extends Olive Branch on 'Fiscal Cliff'

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House Speaker John Boehner offered Wednesday to pursue a deal with a victorious President Barack Obama that will include higher taxes "under the right conditions" to help reduce the nation's staggering debt and put its finances in order.

"Mr. President, this is your moment," Boehner told reporters, speaking about the "fiscal cliff" that will hit in January. "We want you to lead."

Boehner said House Republicans are asking Obama "to make good on a balanced approach" that would including spending cuts and address government social benefit programs.

"Let's find the common ground that has eluded us," Boehner said while congratulating the president on winning a second term.

The Ohio Republican spoke a day after the president's clear re-election victory. He said conditions on higher taxes would include a revamped tax code to make it cleaner and fairer, fewer loopholes and lower rates for all.

The speaker noted that during one-on-one budget talks with the president in the summer of 2011, Obama had "endorsed the idea of tax reform and lower rates, including a top rate of lower than 35 percent," the present top rate.

"We're closer than we think to the critical mass needed legislatively to get tax reform done," he said.

Boehner did not specify what loopholes House Republicans might consider trimming. Nor did he take questions.

His comments were generally along the lines of proposals by vanquished Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney that also were vague on specifics.

Still, the speaker's comments signaled a willingness to enter into talks. He suggested Congress could use its upcoming lame-duck session to get the ball moving on such a compromise.

"We can't solve the problem of our fiscal imbalance overnight...This is going to take time," he said.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #151
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You might want to check out exactly what people are considering austerity. It's not the drastic cutting that you think it is.

What we're tlking about here is living in 2012-2013 on ~2004 revenue. It's difficult to catagorize that as austerity.
I double checked and it is only about $100 billion in cuts.

It winds up reducing the deficit by close to $600 billion and that's mainly from increased taxes across the board.

In my quick search it looks like the Wall Street Journal is predicting a 4% decline in GDP and 2 million jobs lost. We would be voluntarily putting ourselves back into recession. That can't be an easy call to make.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #152
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...and this is why you lost.
And this is why you didn't win a sweep, have any coat tails or get a mandate. Nothing changed with this election.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:53 AM   #153
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Boehner: Great, this won't cut into my 36 holes, daily quart of scotch or daily orange tint maintenance.
I thought there was a tax on tanning salons?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:56 AM   #154
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I hear you but the guy was elected; I want him to do well for the sake of the country. Rooting for the Potus to fail is like rooting for my driver to crash.

I'd like to see obama grow from his last 4 years, to find himself and the strength it takes to lead and form consensus. To replace his instinct to evade and avoid with courage and conviction. To buckle down and work with an "America first" attitude that he conveys and instills into all Americans.

I don't have confidence this will occur as he has shown no sign of being able to do so to date, but it is a new term and I'm going to watch and wait.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:56 AM   #155
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I double checked and it is only about $100 billion in cuts.

It winds up reducing the deficit by close to $600 billion and that's mainly from increased taxes across the board.

In my quick search it looks like the Wall Street Journal is predicting a 4% decline in GDP and 2 million jobs lost. We would be voluntarily putting ourselves back into recession. That can't be an easy call to make.
That's because it takes leadership.

Raise your hand if you think just raising taxes is gong to change ANYTHING about the negative trajectory of this nation, other than speed it up.

I thought so.

Doing nothing is going to catch up and end up hurting a hell of a lot worse. In fact, we may be past that point where any action will matter. A lame-duck president is the PERFECT leader to attempt this. But there is NO way Obama will even think about it, because he just not wired that way and apparently neither is half of the electorate.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:58 AM   #156
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For the time being, I would settle for the Senate to pass a budget. Sounds like a reasonable first step, No?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:03 AM   #157
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For the time being, I would settle for the Senate to pass a budget. Sounds like a reasonable first step, No?

Article I, Section 7 states that all revenue bills shall originate in the House of Representatives.

The Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on any other bills.

The reason for this is that at the time the Constitution was written, it was felt that Senators would be more wealthy than Representatives and might be willing to spend more government money than the Representatives would. Also, the House with its greater numbers was seen as being the better guage of the wishes of the people for spending measures.

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You saw that happen when Reid refused to pass the budgets by the House. If Obama was leading he could have made a call to Reid to compromise. Then they turn around and blame the Republicans and some people eat that kind of partisan crap up like dog food. Alinsky would be proud.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #158
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:47 PM   #159
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Just for the record so you all understand, Patty Murray of Washington State was in charge of the Democratic Senate Races. She now has 16 women there on the Democratic side. Senator Murray is on record to just walk through the January deadline and start from there. She now has numbers that she helped win to filibuster any attempt to do otherwise. That is the fire wall.
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I hear you but the guy was elected; I want him to do well for the sake of the country. Rooting for the Potus to fail is like rooting for my driver to crash.

I'd like to see obama grow from his last 4 years, to find himself and the strength it takes to lead and form consensus. To replace his instinct to evade and avoid with courage and conviction. To buckle down and work with an "America first" attitude that he conveys and instills into all Americans.

I don't have confidence this will occur as he has shown no sign of being able to do so to date, but it is a new term and I'm going to watch and wait.
So you are of a mind that he actually wants to do what is right?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:13 PM   #161
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I am. He's boxed in. Just hope the Rs doing it respectfully.
Agreed. I really think that Obama sees himself more as a king appointed by divine right rather than a President elected by the populous despite his obvious landslide victory. He's unfettered and unhinged after shredding the constitution in his first term there will be nothing to stand in his way in his second term to keep him from tossing it into the Presidential fireplace altogether.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:16 PM   #162
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And this is why you didn't win a sweep, have any coat tails or get a mandate. Nothing changed with this election.
Yeah, Election Day was really tough on the Ds.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:18 PM   #163
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Agreed. I really think that Obama sees himself more as a king appointed by divine right rather than a President elected by the populous despite his obvious landslide victory. He's unfettered and unhinged after shredding the constitution in his first term there will be nothing to stand in his way in his second term to keep him from tossing it into the Presidential fireplace altogether.
You sound like an insane person. Seriously.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:24 PM   #164
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You sound like an insane person. Seriously.
...Merely stating my opinion. I cannot help, nor do I care how it comes a crossed to you or anyone else.
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