Movies and TV Star Wars Rogue One Spoiler Thread - Page 57

**DaneMcCloud** · 12:47 PM

There's quite a bit of info trickling out so its probably time to start a spoiler thread. I'll update with a trailer when it's available.

Trailer #1. This looks amazing!!! Darth Vader, The Emperor, Jyn (Rey's mother?), Forrest Whitaker, Donnie Yen and Alan Tudyk.

unlurking · 01-29-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

I'm still in awe of the job they did recreating Cushing. The young Carrie Fisher face was a little off, but they absolutely nailed him.

Ugh. That was the worst part of the movie for me. Was horribly cartoonish. Was like watching a Final Fantasy movie. I don't know how anyone could see that and not be thrown off?

Frazod · 01-29-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Ugh. That was the worst part of the movie for me. Was horribly cartoonish. Was like watching a Final Fantasy movie. I don't know how anyone could see that and not be thrown off?

Seriously, the guy's dead. I'd rather they did that than use a different actor.

If you want to see how a shitty CGI recreated young face looks, I invite you to watch the second Tron movie.

unlurking · 01-29-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

Seriously, the guy's dead. I'd rather they did that than use a different actor.

If you want to see how a shitty CGI recreated young face looks, I invite you to watch the second Tron movie.

lol

Tron Legends was truly abysmal. Personally, I would have preferred no Tarkin.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-29-2017, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

I'm still in awe of the job they did recreating Cushing. The young Carrie Fisher face was a little off, but they absolutely nailed him.

Agreed. I couldn't believe when Tarkin was first shown.

I've seen the movie three times, including IMAX, and it was awesome each time.

Chiefspants · 01-30-2017, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Ugh. That was the worst part of the movie for me. Was horribly cartoonish. Was like watching a Final Fantasy movie. I don't know how anyone could see that and not be thrown off?

I went with a friend who hadn't seen the OT in years.

He was absolutely stunned to learn about the CGI.

As for Carrie, I think that was more noticeable because they never showed Cushing in full light.

**Bowser** · 01-30-2017, 09:19 AM

Cool, I hadn't seen the pictures of the "new" Tarkin and Tudyk in their filming get ups. Pretty amazing.

**007** · 01-30-2017, 09:23 AM

When Tarkin made his first appearance I thought they found a dead ringer for him. It wasn't until his third scene that it jumped out at me he was CGI. They did a great job with that.

I know people like to bash on the Tron sequel, but at the time, it was a pretty decent attempt at passing off CGI as real. If they had done a better job on his facial movements it would have been less obvious.

unlurking · 01-30-2017, 10:25 AM

Wow. Maybe it's me, but I thought it was totally noticeable. Here's a side by side...

...and here is an image from Final Fantasy: Spirits Within...

That's 2001 CGI, looking just as good as the Tarkin CGI in 2016 (actually better IMO). The same smoothness to the features. Take away the non-CGI background, and I don't see anything better about Tarkin. The only thing that makes it better than a cartoon is that there is so much static background and zero interaction with anything else. No flowing hair, etc. They did a very minimalist job to help hide the fact that it's CGI, but it is still very noticeable CGI. At least it was to me.

Maybe if I hadn't heard all the raving reviews about the CGI going in I wouldn't have had such high expectations and looking for it. I don't know, was just a major (and really the only for me) disappointment.

EDIT: I'm not saying it was bad in comparison to other CGI stuff, just that it was noticeable, and I would prefer not to have CGI people in a live action film. Takes me "out of the moment" and ruins the mood.

**007** · 01-30-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Wow. Maybe it's me, but I thought it was totally noticeable. Here's a side by side...

...and here is an image from Final Fantasy: Spirits Within...

That's 2001 CGI, looking just as good as the Tarkin CGI in 2016 (actually better IMO). The same smoothness to the features. Take away the non-CGI background, and I don't see anything better about Tarkin. The only thing that makes it better than a cartoon is that there is so much static background and zero interaction with anything else. No flowing hair, etc. They did a very minimalist job to help hide the fact that it's CGI, but it is still very noticeable CGI. At least it was to me.

Maybe if I hadn't heard all the raving reviews about the CGI going in I wouldn't have had such high expectations and looking for it. I don't know, was just a major (and really the only for me) disappointment.

EDIT: I'm not saying it was bad in comparison to other CGI stuff, just that it was noticeable, and I would prefer not to have CGI people in a live action film. Takes me "out of the moment" and ruins the mood.

I will say this, once you see it, you can't unsee it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-30-2017, 10:55 AM

The most difficult aspect of recreating Tarkin was the lighting. It's clear that his skin tone is different when shown side by side. Matching the lighting on a movie, created on film, 40 years earlier, was nearly impossible but IMO, ILM did an amazing job.

I had zero issues with Tarkin and it never jumped out at me as VFX. Carrie Fisher's recreation, OTOH, looked weird. Something about the movement (or non movement) of her upper threw me off, all three times I saw the movie.

But hey, the overall movie was so amazing to me that I can look past something as small as the Princeles Leia VFX.

Frazod · 01-30-2017, 11:24 AM

The main thing I notice is the shape of the head is different. But you'd never notice that unless the images were side by side.

Prison Bitch · 01-30-2017, 01:47 PM

Come on dudes, no way does "Tarkin" have a burned image so strong in your brain you can really recall details about his face shape. If you saw him and didn't think "wow that's him!" then I'm calling bullshit

unlurking · 01-30-2017, 02:50 PM

Yeah, the Carrie Fisher job was absolutely horrible. You could tell they just blurred the edges to try and hide it.

This was definitely the best SW film since Empire. Hands down. I just sometimes wonder if I saw the same movie everyone else did when I hear how perfect this CGI was. Like I said though, if I had gone in blind without knowing about it or having any expectations it might not have jumped out at me.

When he spoke, the mouth movements immediately reminded me of Serkis' Caesar from the Apes series.

Anyways, it won't prevent me from watching it again when it hits streaming. Looking forward to it actually. Will probably be much less noticeable to me on a smaller screen.

unlurking · 01-30-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Come on dudes, no way does "Tarkin" have a burned image so strong in your brain you can really recall details about his face shape. If you saw him and didn't think "wow that's him!" then I'm calling bullshit

That's because you're an idiot. It's not about how close they got to making it look like Cushing, it's about how far away they got from it looking like CGI.

DJ's left nut · 01-30-2017, 03:01 PM

I avoided most news on this heading into it so I had no idea Tarkin was in it.

And immediately recognized it as CGI. I didn't know if they'd aged up the actor that played him in the originals or something (was my first thought when he came out, but mostly I was just confused), but within just a few seconds I could see that cartoonish effect.

I think unlurking is right; he looked like a video game character (I was actually thinking Metal Gear, myself). I was mostly just curious why they couldn't have had Krennick doing almost everything and then when he got wiped out at the end, you could have Tarkin sorta step in and take over for a brief 'cameo'.

I guess the issue is continuity and it might not have worked with the folks that know this universe much more than I do. Perhaps there's a lot of already existing story that establishes that Tarkin was obviously Krennick's boss, etc...

It didn't make the movie worse, but it made it different and not in a way that was demonstrably better. As such, I think I'd have avoided it outright.

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unlurking MVP Join Date: Aug 2003 Casino cash: $7737309	Wow. Maybe it's me, but I thought it was totally noticeable. Here's a side by side... ...and here is an image from Final Fantasy: Spirits Within... That's 2001 CGI, looking just as good as the Tarkin CGI in 2016 (actually better IMO). The same smoothness to the features. Take away the non-CGI background, and I don't see anything better about Tarkin. The only thing that makes it better than a cartoon is that there is so much static background and zero interaction with anything else. No flowing hair, etc. They did a very minimalist job to help hide the fact that it's CGI, but it is still very noticeable CGI. At least it was to me. Maybe if I hadn't heard all the raving reviews about the CGI going in I wouldn't have had such high expectations and looking for it. I don't know, was just a major (and really the only for me) disappointment. EDIT: I'm not saying it was bad in comparison to other CGI stuff, just that it was noticeable, and I would prefer not to have CGI people in a live action film. Takes me "out of the moment" and ruins the mood. Last edited by unlurking; 01-30-2017 at 10:33 AM..
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01-30-2017, 10:55 AM	#850
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The most difficult aspect of recreating Tarkin was the lighting. It's clear that his skin tone is different when shown side by side. Matching the lighting on a movie, created on film, 40 years earlier, was nearly impossible but IMO, ILM did an amazing job. I had zero issues with Tarkin and it never jumped out at me as VFX. Carrie Fisher's recreation, OTOH, looked weird. Something about the movement (or non movement) of her upper threw me off, all three times I saw the movie. But hey, the overall movie was so amazing to me that I can look past something as small as the Princeles Leia VFX.
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