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Old 01-16-2013, 01:58 AM  
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If not #1, where?
The draftniks keep saying that Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 pick.
None of them say he isn't the top QB in the class though.
If we don't take him at #1 how far is he realistically going to fall?

I see no scenario where he falls out of the Top 10.

So if he's the top QB in a weak class...
QB is our biggest need...
And he's gonna go Top 10 anyway...

Why not at #1?

Am I wrong to say he won't fall out of the Top 10?

Discuss...
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:46 PM   #301
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I'm playing "contrarian" lately because I believe that it's equally possible that Dorsey and Reid either trade for veteran QB (Flynn or Smith), trade back and accumulate picks and draft a QB in the later rounds, as it is that they take a QB #1 overall.

Yet that possibility, when mentioned, is met with disgust, anger and outright hostility, which I also find ridiculous considering none of these guys have been fully evaluated yet.
You telling me that going into camp with Matt Flynn, Zac Dysert and Ricky Stanzi wouldn't be a huge disapointment?

Some other team tried that.....the Cardinals.

There is a reason why it's met with disgust and anger. The idea of Matt Flynn as our starting QB is kind of a disgusting thought.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:47 PM   #302
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I understand what you're saying but I also believe that Gene Smith is a rare circumstance because he had years to draft, develop or trade for a QB but it wasn't until his job was in jeopardy that he actually made the move.

So essentially, he drafted Gabbert out of fear instead of drafting him because he felt he was a franchise QB.
And if he gets lucky and Blaine Gabbert is a pretty good QB, all that poor planning and drafting doesn't really matter. We're not even having this conversation.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:47 PM   #303
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I think they might do this too, Dane. My point is that it will be a major mistake.
Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.
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And if he gets lucky and Blaine Gabbert is a pretty good QB, all that poor planning and drafting doesn't really matter. We're not even having this conversation.
Gets lucky? So that's the criteria for a GM to select a first round QB?

"Well, what the ****?! I might get lucky!".

**** me if that's what John Dorsey and Andy Reid are thinking.
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You telling me that going into camp with Matt Flynn, Zac Dysert and Ricky Stanzi wouldn't be a huge disapointment?

Some other team tried that.....the Cardinals.

There is a reason why it's met with disgust and anger. The idea of Matt Flynn as our starting QB is kind of a disgusting thought.
I think that Andy Reid and John Dorsey are going to have five years to prove that they know what they're doing.

If Andy Reid chooses to trade for a veteran QB, I personally would prefer to wait to see the results before claiming it as a failure.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:50 PM   #306
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Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.
Why would you expect it, as Chiefs fans, to NOT be met with Disdain?

Was Cassel not enough?

Grbac?

Bono or whatever other Back up trash QB we've had?

Why are we suppose to be open minded and optimistic about taking on a QB that other teams didn't find worthy of being their starter? HAVE WE NOT DONE THAT ENOUGH?
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:51 PM   #307
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Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.
Based on the whole 2 games he's played in the NFL?

Sorry man, you know I like you and totally respect your takes.

But this is just dumb.
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Why would you expect it, as Chiefs fans, to NOT be met with Disdain?
I don't know, Dude. Knowing what I know of KC fans (outside of this forum and actually living in KC), I don't think they'd care one damn bit.
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yay....another team's vet castoff...

why change what doesn't work...decade 4 of failure, in the batter's box

never mind that the only success reid had in philly came from drafting a QB in the first round...let's keep doing it the Chiefs way
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Based on the whole 2 games he's played in the NFL?

Sorry man, you know I like you and totally respect your takes.

But this is just dumb.
Yeah, you're right. I misspoke on Flynn and his two games.

Still, I do believe that it will be an option they'll address internally. They have to look at each and every scenario.
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I think that Andy Reid and John Dorsey are going to have five years to prove that they know what they're doing.

If Andy Reid chooses to trade for a veteran QB, I personally would prefer to wait to see the results before claiming it as a failure.
I agree that they have good sized window to prove that they can build a team. I just dont think that they would think that trading for Flynn/Smith is a good idea. They are smart men. The NFL knows what Smith and Flynn are. Why settle for mediocrity at best?

Time will tell, but im confident that they wont trade for Flynn or any other back up QB.

I could be wrong i guess....
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I don't know, Dude. Knowing what I know of KC fans (outside of this forum and actually living in KC), I don't think they'd care one damn bit.
I'll agree with this.


After listening to the radio, talking to other fans etc, this town is scared to death about drafting a QB early, if he's not Luck.


Although, some of the radio guys are starting to turn it around a little.
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yay....another team's vet castoff...

why change what doesn't work...decade 4 of failure, in the batter's box

never mind that the only success reid had in philly came from drafting a QB in the first round...let's keep doing it the Chiefs way
It's amazing to me that some of you guys can get so ****ing worked up over a possible scenario.
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I don't know, Dude. Knowing what I know of KC fans (outside of this forum and actually living in KC), I don't think they'd care one damn bit.
because they've never cared

mediocrity has always been fine with them

as long as it isn't risky...anything but risky
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It's amazing to me that some of you guys can get so ****ing worked up over a possible scenario.
it's amazing to me that people don't, after so many years of complete ****ing failure...but i assume those people have just given up

there is a way teams win in this league...we have never tried it

we're not crazy for wanting to try it ONCE
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