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Old 10-13-2019, 04:10 PM  
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can we please stop talking about time of possession? Please?

Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession thatís really efficient but wonít take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isnít going to win any games but by god weíll win the time of possession.

****ing pussies like Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:16 PM   #16
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He does have a point though, to an extent.

I would imagine that a lot of the people bitching about the Chiefs losing time of possession now were defending the Chiefs offense that won time of possession in the 2nd half of the Colts playoff game while simultaneously blowing one of the biggest leads in history.

I wouldn't care about time of possession if the offense ****ing did something at the end of these last 2 games but they couldn't be bothered to get even 1 first down.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:17 PM   #17
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Everyone is talking about time of possession. That is mind bogglingly stupid. Winning is about offensive and defensive efficiency. Scores and stops. It has nothing at all to do with time. If Mahomes scores in one play every possession that’s really efficient but won’t take up any time. Moreover if we take a 12 minute drive and fumble at the 2, that isn’t going to win any games but by god we’ll win the time of possession.

****ing pussies like Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards talk about time of possession. Winners talk about scores and stops.
No. You're just stupid if you dont think T.O.P. matters. Quit being a dooe whike trying to push some foolish hot take.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:17 PM   #18
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:18 PM   #19
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He's not wrong though. TOP is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the problem itself.

The problem is an inefficient pass happy offense and no run defense.

One of those problems is easily fixable.

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Old 10-13-2019, 04:19 PM   #20
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Well, when we win, maybe we'll be able to talk about scores and stops. Until then, it's time of possession.
No. We lost because we couldnít score efficiently enough to overcome our **** of a defense that was horribly inefficient.

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In sick of people saying dumb shit like... We only gave up 19 points to the Colts. The sad thing is if not for the slow drives our defense would be giving up even more points. The best defense against our offense is to keep them off the field. And we're failing miserably.
Still about efficiency not time. If they were getting stops we win. They didnít. We didnít.

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when you are that behind in TOP your defense is gassed, TOP is one of the most important stats in the game, they are gassing your D and keeping your most important asset off the field.
Effects not causes.

Pussies talk about shit that doesnít matter like time of possession.

A lopsided TOP can possibly mean you canít get stops. But in our case why not say it? We canít stop anybody.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:20 PM   #21
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It shows we don't have a run game, which we do need to win games.

I am not sure why Shady isn't getting more running plays?
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:21 PM   #22
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TOP does matter to a degree. Obviously if a team only possesses the ball for 5 minutes for an entire game (just using an extreme example) they probably aren't going to win any games. Just as possessing the ball for 55 minutes probably means that team won the game.

Based on what we're seeing, I'd guess that the minimum TOP for the Chiefs has to be somewhere areound 27 minutes at a minimum.
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It shows we don't have a run game, which we do need to win games.

I am not sure why Shady isn't getting more running plays?
Because Andy's head is firmly placed up his own ass.
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top matters but imo a much better marker is # of possessions

10 possessions vs 10 possessions. texans simply handled their possessions better. we didn't. they won.

sure our run d is ass but we all knew that. the o is the strength and it's not exactly showing up.
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So you use the most extreme outlier examples to argue against some of the most conventional football wisdom out there?

That's a no from me, dawg.

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Going back to back three-and-out on offense with the game in the balance doesnít help TOP either.
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In the past two weeks KC has called 82 passes and 19 rushes. 80% passing in games that have been within 1 score pretty much the entire time. Think about how stupid that is.

Anyone thing MAYBE that's impacting time of possession? Also causing Mahomes to take more hits and throw more incompletions. It's all connected folks!

Get your shit together Andy. I don't care where you put it. Pack it in a bag. Put it in your hotel. Just get all of your shit in one place... together. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!
Still shit that pussies talk about when theyíre either too dumb or too weak to talk about what is actually happening.

TOP doesnít win games. Scores and stops do. And yeah. Our defense is shit and we canít run the ****ing ball because weíre a bunch of soft bitches. Thatís the reality. Time of Posession doesnít drive either one of those things.

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He's not wrong though. TOP is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the problem itself.

The problem is an inefficient pass happy offense and no run defense.

One of those problems is easily fixable.
It's apart of the problem. A very big part. It forces us to need a touchdown almost every drive because possessions are rarer.

Of course at the end of the day, points are all that matters but the difference in TOP limits how many points we can score and adds to the chances they have to score. The longer a team has the ball,the more likely it is they'll score and the less time we have to answer.
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Still shit that pussies talk about when theyíre either too dumb or too weak to talk about what is actually happening.

TOP doesnít win games. Scores and stops do. And yeah. Our defense is shit and we canít run the ****ing ball because weíre a bunch of soft bitches. Thatís the reality. Time of Posession doesnít drive either one of those things.



Yes.
The longer a team has the ball the more likely they are to score. The less a team has the ball, the less chances they have to score.

It's a pretty simple concept.
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It shows we don't have a run game, which we do need to win games.

I am not sure why Shady isn't getting more running plays?
Because we are coached by flaming morons.

And Iíd disagree we need a running game necessarily, we just need to score more efficiently with the pass. But itís easier to build a run game than improve our already good pass game. So thatís where Iíd go.

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TOP does matter to a degree. Obviously if a team only possesses the ball for 5 minutes for an entire game (just using an extreme example) they probably aren't going to win any games. Just as possessing the ball for 55 minutes probably means that team won the game.

Based on what we're seeing, I'd guess that the minimum TOP for the Chiefs has to be somewhere areound 27 minutes at a minimum.
Youíre wrong. A team that returns every kickoff or punt for a TD is winning.

We need ****ing stops and scores. The TOP issue is an effect not a cause.

While there might be correlation to winning, there is not causation.
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Going back to back three-and-out on offense with the game in the balance doesnít help TOP either.
Especially when your offense gets ONE possession series in the 4th quarter.
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Would you rather they scored in one ****ing play?
Yes I would absolutely prefer they score in one play if theyíre going to score. The quicker they score, the quicker our offense gets back on the field.
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