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Old 12-02-2019, 10:07 AM  
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Have we reached critical mass with Reiter and/or Wylie?

Because those guys were getting mauled. There were a half dozen plays yesterday that simply died at the snap because Reiter and Wylie were immediately pushed into the backfield.

It isn't just about losing a snap, it's about how they're losing theirs (and how quickly). The best you can hope from either of them, especially in the run game, is a draw.

Wisniewski has looked good out there. At the very least, he seems stout at the point of attack. Don't we have to give the guy a look there? As the weather turns and the playoffs arrive, we're gonna HAVE to be able to convert some of these short yardage situations without these long-developing crossers from Hill or the inside screens that teams are largely prepared for now.

I just can't handle watching those two guys get abused anymore. I can handle LDT's mediocre play because at least he's not getting beat immediately and badly. He's not blowing guys off the ball, but he's generally holding his own. But Reiter and Wylie are playing poorly enough that they're smothering some of these plays in the cradle. It's just completely unacceptable.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:35 AM   #76
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Sooooo, Reuter still got pushed into the backfield a bunch, but Wisniewski looked pretty damn good.
He was a key block on Damien's 84 yarder I believe.
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Old 12-30-2019, 05:35 PM   #77
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Wiz apparently is much stronger than Wylie, or maybe it's just that he's a much better technician as far as blocking mechanics goes. Maybe both. The one knock on Wiz is his lateral mobility, but he apparently is good enough to hide that problem most of the time. I'd be very happy if Wiz started at guard for the foreseeable future.
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Old 01-18-2020, 12:07 AM   #78
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Rewatching the game again; is it possible that Reuter isnít terrible? He looked really solid against the Texans. Is Wiz over Wylie making that much of a difference? Is Houston simply that bad up front?
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I’ve never hated Reiter. He’s actually a good OL but CP hates him cuz he made a few bad plays
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Old 01-18-2020, 12:44 AM   #80
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Oline looks much better with Wisniewski in there.

Wylie stinks, gets constantly pushed back


I haven't seen anything that great about Reiter either. I would like to see better players at both LG and Center next year.
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Old 01-18-2020, 12:50 AM   #81
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Rewatching the game again; is it possible that Reuter isnít terrible? He looked really solid against the Texans. Is Wiz over Wylie making that much of a difference? Is Houston simply that bad up front?
Houston's defense is terrible.
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Rewatching the game again; is it possible that Reuter isnít terrible? He looked really solid against the Texans. Is Wiz over Wylie making that much of a difference? Is Houston simply that bad up front?
With Wiz at LG and LDT at RG, Reiter is definitely the weak link. He's not terrible terrible but below average for sure.
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With Wiz at LG and LDT at RG, Reiter is definitely the weak link. He's not terrible terrible but below average for sure.
let's just all agree that we need to be 'better' in that spot.
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here's a thing I've been thinking about-

One of the reasons that Andy is real hesitant to mix things on up on the line is that so much of line play is familiarity; each guy knowing what and how the other is doing so that it's all working together.

You've got a few seasons more of your tackles being in their prime. Wiz is obviously near his end. You need to upgrade your interior. So this is the offseason you need to do that. If you wait any longer, you'll have to rebuild the whole thing.

If you do it THIS offseason, you can get a couple of years of continuity with a little luck before you've gotta start on your OT situation.

when I think of those teams that take two of three in their eras of dominance, I notice that along with the elite QB, you've usually got real good OL's that have continuity like the Cowboys line. The Pats of course have had such a long run of dominance that there have been a few groups but I think the concept still holds up.
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Old 01-18-2020, 11:13 AM   #85
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Rewatching the game again; is it possible that Reuter isnít terrible? He looked really solid against the Texans. Is Wiz over Wylie making that much of a difference? Is Houston simply that bad up front?
Um....both?

Reiter is playing better. I won't say he's playing truly well, but he's leveled out in pass-pro to where he's solid and oftentimes an asset. He's routinely a liability in the run game, but he's acceptable in pass pro. He played probably is best game of the season against the Texans and that's likely a combination of both things. A) He's playing better (and yes, Wiz is probably helpful there) and B) Houston's front is pretty lousy.

Jurrell Casey will be a massive test for him. He can go a LONG way towards keeping himself in the starters conversation next season on Sunday.

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Iíve never hated Reiter. Heís actually a good OL but CP hates him cuz he made a few bad plays
No, he is not a 'good' lineman. He's not necessarily as awful as he's looked at several points throughout the season, but he isn't good. By definition, a guy who's prone to getting obliterated as often as he is cannot be 'good'. Consistency is a skill that matters a lot, especially for interior linemen. Reiter generally lacks it.
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here's a thing I've been thinking about-

One of the reasons that Andy is real hesitant to mix things on up on the line is that so much of line play is familiarity; each guy knowing what and how the other is doing so that it's all working together.

You've got a few seasons more of your tackles being in their prime. Wiz is obviously near his end. You need to upgrade your interior. So this is the offseason you need to do that. If you wait any longer, you'll have to rebuild the whole thing.

If you do it THIS offseason, you can get a couple of years of continuity with a little luck before you've gotta start on your OT situation.

when I think of those teams that take two of three in their eras of dominance, I notice that along with the elite QB, you've usually got real good OL's that have continuity like the Cowboys line. The Pats of course have had such a long run of dominance that there have been a few groups but I think the concept still holds up.
Look at it this way - we have an IT plan where we swap out 20% of our PCs every year. It keeps us from having to come up with $100K in any given year when all of our computers eat shit.

So the Chiefs should probably be looking to turn over a player or two on their OL every year. You get 80% throughput that way and never have to burn an entire off-season worth of draft/cap capital on rebuilding that line. Worse still, doing it that way likely yields a far slower, tougher development curve.

Yeah, it would probably be a good idea to be constantly shopping for at least 1 replacement starter every year. As has been noted, Wiz is old, Reiter is mediocre and LDT is expensive. One of those guys are coming back, probably 2 of them. But we've gotta figure out a way to get at least one of them cycled out just to keep a meaningful 'replacement' schedule.
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