Where we are, roster-wise: volume 2014.

[Direckshun]

Done this every year for about five years now. Last year we had this thread stickied.

It's always nice to just see the roster laid out, and hash out depth charts as the offseason progresses. Players will climb and fall on this depth chart, and of course players will be added and removed.

QB
Alex Smith
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray
Aaron Murray

RB
Jamaal Charles
Knile Davis
De'Anthony Thomas
Joe McKnight
Cyrus Gray
Charcandrick West

FB
Anthony Sherman
Jordan Campbell
James Baker

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
A.J. Jenkins
Junior Hemingway
Weston Dressler
Frankie Hammond, Jr.
Jerrell Jackson
Darryl Surgent
Fred Williams
Kyle Williams
Albert Wilson
Deon Anthony

TE
Anthony Fasano
Travis Kelce
Sean McGrath
Demetrius Harris
Richard Gordon

OT
Eric Fisher
Donald Stephenson
J'Marcus Webb
Ryan McKee
Otis Hudson

OG
Jeff Allen
Jeffrey Linkenbach
Rishaw Johnson
Zach Fulton
Laurent Duvarney-Tardif
Rokevious Watkins
Ricky Henry

C
Rodney Hudson
Eric Kush
Ben Gottschalk

NT
Dontari Poe
Kyle Love
Jaye Howard
Dominique Hamilton
Chas Alecxih
Corey Grissom

DE
Mike DeVito
Vance Walker
Allen Bailey
Mike Catapano
Jermelle Cudjo

OLB
Justin Houston
Tamba Hali
Dee Ford
Frank Zombo
Dezman Moses
Josh Martin

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Joe Mays
Nico Johnson
James-Michael Johnson
Ben Johnson
Deron Furr
Alonzo Highsmith

CB
Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Marcus Cooper
Phillip Gaines
Chris Owens
Kevin Rutland
Vernon Kearney
David Van Dyke
DeMarcus Van Dyke
Justin Rogers

S
Eric Berry
Sanders Commings
Husain Abdullah
Ron Parker
Daniel Sorensen
Jerron McMillian
Malcolm Bronson

K
Ryan Succop
Cairo Santos

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
Thomas Gafford

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SNR

I totally would have sliced Gray for a 5th DE, but if our only option for that 5th guy is Jizzy the Clown, we may as well only keep 4 of them. In the case of injury emergency during a game, you're looking at shifting Poe over to DE anyway, and I highly doubt the team activates three NTs on gameday. Hell, they rarely ever activated two of them last year. So I think we're set on the DL. Gray stays over any of those dudes.

I could see rolling with a 4th TE (Harris), but like you said, we need special teamers. Our 6th WR as it is in my scenario (Kyle Williams) isn't a big special teamer, and if we add a 6th WR, it's really more like adding a 7th WR with De'Anthony Thomas on the roster. So I think Gray is that special teamer, like it or not that we keep.

We'll just have to pray we don't encounter a situation again where two ****ing RBs get injured in the same goddamn game.

Think KC goes with 4 WRs (Bowe/Avery/Jenkins/Hemingway) to keep 4 RBs active on gameday?

EDIT: The more I think about it, that's exactly what they do.

If the Chiefs ever go five wide (assuming no injuries) it'd be Bowe, Avery, Jenkins/Hemingway, TE/ Thomas, and Jamaal.

[milkman]

I am hoping that Demetrius Harris makes a big jump from last year to this year, because Fasano and McGrath are just jags.

And anyone that has seen DAT play and thinks he is the same as Dex is a f****ing clueless moron.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Either him or Hemingway.. and I doubt Reid can justify limiting his ST snaps to work him up.

Which is kind of a shame because I think he can be serviceable.. Had he not been catching passes from Dennard Robinson he could've proved it in college.

Hemingway < Jenkins, its not even close IMO, the upside is clearly in favor of Jenkins, Junior is a plodder with decent, not great, size.

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Not even about Smith imo. I'm just assuming that he will be more like the 2nd half of the season Alex, than the 1st half.

Do you think our defense can be solid all year even against the stronger offenses we are going to face?

Do you think our WR/TEs can get open more consistently this year than they did last year, even though we are going to face better defenses?

I don't see how.

we are expecting higher performance this year even though we have less proven talent than last year. Makes no sense.


Sorry to be a downer, i'm still so pissed about our offseason that i can hardly see straight.

I think every year is almost 100% completely different than the last and history proves me right every single year... is it a guarantor of success? NO, but history says that the power structure changes every year and that as long as we have Alex, we're in a relatively stable place.

The improvements we made this year weren't EXACTLY THE ONES I WANTED... but they were all positive, we improved depth/talent/youth at several positions.

As for the offensive conundrum that says "holy shit are you telling me we didn't do JACK at WR or TE?", a feeling to which I totally subscribed at one point... all I can say is that I agreed, until I watched this draft... we not only got rid of expensive albatross' but we replaced them with CHEAPER AND YOUNGER talent.

Its been said here over and Over and OVER... but this offense was ****ing HUMMING at the end with what we already have, a bunch of guys who were just then starting to really get used to this QB/ system.

It honestly doesn't really surprise me, that once Dorsey/Reid saw what this offense was able to do the last 6 weeks, that they said "hey, **** a bunch of big picks on offense, we scored 35+ down the stretch and 44 on the road in the playoffs without our prime mover... lets add starting caliber talent to this defense and depth elsewhere"

Its sound thinking and I'm still impressed with this draft... the offense can be better than everyone thinks with a step forward here and a tweak there, lets add some defensive badassery and continue to grow in this, the SECOND YEAR, of a very complicated system.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Think KC goes with 4 WRs (Bowe/Avery/Jenkins/Hemingway) to keep 4 RBs active on gameday?

EDIT: The more I think about it, that's exactly what they do.

If the Chiefs ever go five wide (assuming no injuries) it'd be Bowe, Avery, Jenkins/Hemingway, TE/ Thomas, and Jamaal.

Possibly, considering Thomas is really a WR

[Discuss Thrower]

The more I think about it, that's what I think is likely to happen.

Assuming there are no injuries, then a five eligible receiver formation will feature Bowe, Avery, Jenkins OR Hemingway, a TE OR D'A. Thomas and JC.

Unless Kyle Williams or Dressler prove themselves to have the makings of a top 30 WR in the league during training camp, KC really loses nothing carrying only 4 "WRs" in Bowe/Avery/Jenkins/Hemingway and four RBs with JC/KD/DAT/CG

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The more I think about it, that's what I think is likely to happen.

Assuming there are no injuries, then a five eligible receiver formation will feature Bowe, Avery, Jenkins OR Hemingway, a TE OR D'A. Thomas and JC.

Unless Kyle Williams or Dressler prove themselves to have the makings of a top 30 WR in the league during training camp, KC really loses nothing carrying only 4 "WRs" in Bowe/Avery/Jenkins/Hemingway and four RBs with JC/KD/DAT/CG

In that case, we replace that final WR spot with...

CHAS

ALECXIH

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by milkman

And anyone that has seen DAT play and thinks he is the same as Dex is a f****ing clueless moron.

Agreed
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[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by scott free

Hemingway < Jenkins, its not even close IMO, the upside is clearly in favor of Jenkins, Junior is a plodder with decent, not great, size.



I think every year is almost 100% completely different than the last and history proves me right every single year... is it a guarantor of success? NO, but history says that the power structure changes every year and that as long as we have Alex, we're in a relatively stable place.

The improvements we made this year weren't EXACTLY THE ONES I WANTED... but they were all positive, we improved depth/talent/youth at several positions.

As for the offensive conundrum that says "holy shit are you telling me we didn't do JACK at WR or TE?", a feeling to which I totally subscribed at one point... all I can say is that I agreed, until I watched this draft... we not only got rid of expensive albatross' but we replaced them with CHEAPER AND YOUNGER talent.

Its been said here over and Over and OVER... but this offense was ****ing HUMMING at the end with what we already have, a bunch of guys who were just then starting to really get used to this QB/ system.

It honestly doesn't really surprise me, that once Dorsey/Reid saw what this offense was able to do the last 6 weeks, that they said "hey, **** a bunch of big picks on offense, we scored 35+ down the stretch and 44 on the road in the playoffs without our prime mover... lets add starting caliber talent to this defense and depth elsewhere"

Its sound thinking and I'm still impressed with this draft... the offense can be better than everyone thinks with a step forward here and a tweak there, lets add some defensive badassery and continue to grow in this, the SECOND YEAR, of a very complicated system.

wow

I just don't see it.



I hope you're right and i'm wrong.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by SNR

In that case, we replace that final WR spot with...

CHAS

ALECXIH

Stahp.

KC absolutely has to carry a third nose if they only keep 4 WRs.

Surely they aren't so oblivious to see that Poe was worn the **** down by season's end. Maybe Powe was a shitbag behind closed doors and that's why he was never put on the field to spell Dontari.. But Sutton et al has to realize they need a third string NT to keep Poe fresh and safeguard against any injuries or shit play from the DEs.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

wow

I just don't see it.



I hope you're right and i'm wrong.

But you DID see it.

Last six weeks of last year.
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[milkman]

I tend to agree with scott free on Jenkins.

We, like the 9ers, are giving up on him too early.

He is only going into his third season, and he is also only 22 years old.

WRs, even ones older than him, usually take 3 years.

And, frankly, if I have a team pre built, I'd rather have Harbaugh as coach.

But if I am developing player talent, I don't want Harbaugh.

[SAUTO]

Too emotional
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[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by milkman

I tend to agree with scott free on Jenkins.

We, like the 9ers, are giving up on him too early.

He is only going into his third season, and he is also only 22 years old.

WRs, even ones older than him, usually take 3 years.

And, frankly, if I have a team pre built, I'd rather have Harbaugh as coach.

But if I am developing player talent, I don't want Harbaugh.

Where do you think the team is giving up on Jenkins?

If we're buying into the notion that the team has done nothing this offseason but address holes on the roster that will appear in the next offseason or two, then you have to think Jenkins is around to replace Avery...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Where do you think the team is giving up on Jenkins?

If we're buying into the notion that the team has done nothing this offseason but address holes on the roster that will appear in the next offseason or two, then you have to think Jenkins is around to replace Avery...

"We" is referring to CP.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by milkman

"We" is referring to CP.

Well then stop being so cryptic.

Reid vis a vis Alex displayed trust in both Junior and AJ in the season - Hemingway more so in the early part of the season and AJ in the latter- that it doesn't seem they'd be so quick to write them off entirely.

How they approached the draft reinforces this view to me, IMO.

Odds are both of them are JAGs... but AJ was a first rounder and Hemingway performed similarly to Dexter in the combine.

Hence why I think there's something that a lot of people don't consider when looking at the roster.. I think the FO and coaches see something in the two receivers that fans don't.

Whether that's going to work out or not is up for debate, however.