Football It's about time we do something about Notre Dame - Page 9

MatriculatingHank · 01-08-2013, 09:25 PM

Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate:

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220

Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once.

This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.

No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking.

They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams.

Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M.
Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC.
Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU.
South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU.
Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams.

All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent.

Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams.

Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team.

Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that.

They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country.

They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game.

Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them.

If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team.

If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl.

Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games.

They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57.

That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game.

Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games?

The solution:

The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference.

It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team.

Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason.

Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

College football takes it back even one step farther though. At least in the NFL there is a path that teams can take to get a chance to play for a championship. If one team plays better than another on that particular day even though it's considered a weaker franchise, at least both clubs had the chance to win it. In college you don't get to earn that chance. All you can do is rely on the opinions of others.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

alot of fans have a hard time understanding that the NFL and College are completely difererent games.

NFL the regular season doesnt mean all that much

NCAA that regular season means everything. Every week counts.

Not saying either one is better than the other, just different.

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It's personal preference. Both systems work. In CFB every game matters. It's exciting. In the NFL you have exciting playoffs but it doesn't matter if a team loses individual game during the season.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

They were the best team they proved it on the field.

And in response to your fun comment earlier if I wanted to watch sports that were not entertaining I would watch soccer and baseball. Sports=entertainment

Disagree. They were the best team that day. New England beat them a month prior during the regular season and had a much better body of work (18-0 vs. 12-7). Baylor destroyed K-State this year - does that mean Baylor was a better team than K-State in 2012? No - they were the better team that Saturday.

**dirk digler** · 01-09-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

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Disagree. They were the best team that day. New England beat them a month prior during the regular season and had a much better body of work (18-0 vs. 12-7). Baylor destroyed K-State this year - does that mean Baylor was a better team than K-State in 2012? No - they were the better team that Saturday.

If you lose the last game of the season, nobody gives a shit.

frankotank · 01-09-2013, 01:00 PM

anybody notice notre lames strength of schedule before Bama? after?

went from 24 to 6. HI-LAR-I-OUS.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

You're ****ing reeruned.

So Kansas City was a better team than Green Bay last year?

whoman69 · 01-09-2013, 02:27 PM

Notre Dame has always had the bonus of being able to stack their schedule. They would make sure to have the bye or that pesky game against Navy before the big games on their schedule. They do not have to worry about a conference rivalry. Now they will be scheduling more games against ACC teams, the worst conference in the US now that the Big East will bite the dust.

frankotank · 01-09-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Notre Dame has always had the bonus of being able to stack their schedule. They would make sure to have the bye or that pesky game against Navy before the big games on their schedule. They do not have to worry about a conference rivalry. Now they will be scheduling more games against ACC teams, the worst conference in the US now that the Big East will bite the dust.

they also dropped Michigan from their schedule starting in 2014 I believe.

I truly do not understand this. oh well. kill a good rivalry and get an easier schedule. well played.

Setsuna · 01-09-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Great, another SEC circlejerk thread. Dakcman and Setsuna should be along shortly to jizz all over each other.

That's right man. Your hate sustains me.

@ pestilence still trying to defend his team in any capacity. What a joke.

ohiobronco2 · 01-09-2013, 05:32 PM

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

TEX · 01-09-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

Just imagine we were a tattoo parlor away from getting ND/Ohst shoved down our throat as the nc game.

Playing in a conference isn't going to solve anything. They beat the Pac12 champ and Big Xii co-champ and played a sched comparable w/ most any teams conf slate outside the SEC. Yes they were exposed but it isn't like their resume was completely void of credentials.

Exactly.

**the Talking Can** · 01-09-2013, 07:40 PM

espn reporting that kelly interviewed with the eagles tuesday

**Saul Good** · 01-09-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

espn reporting that kelly interviewed with the eagles tuesday

I remember hearing months ago that he really wants to get to the east coast. Supposedly, he hates it out west.

blaise · 01-10-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

espn reporting that kelly interviewed with the eagles tuesday

I'm guessing he wants a raise from Notre Dame.

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I remember hearing months ago that he really wants to get to the east coast. Supposedly, he hates it out west.

I'm dumb. That was Chip Kelly.

Mi_chief_fan · 01-10-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I remember hearing months ago that he really wants to get to the east coast. Supposedly, he hates it out west.

Out west? Western part of the eastern time zone?

01-08-2013, 09:25 PM
MatriculatingHank Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $2284858	It's about time we do something about Notre Dame Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate: http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220 Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once. This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one. No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking. They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams. Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M. Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC. Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU. South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU. Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams. All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent. Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams. Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team. Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that. They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country. They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game. Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them. If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team. If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl. Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games. They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57. That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game. Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games? The solution: The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference. It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team. Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason. Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.
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