Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 197

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Cephalic Trauma · 04-14-2013, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

You were probably 100% sure that Alex Gordon would never pan out, either.

Please chill.

Yeah, I don't get the trade Hosmer before last year thing. Nobody knew Hosmer would slump that hard. You don't trade a promising guy for one bad year, IMO.

**lewdog** · 04-14-2013, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Yeah, I don't get the trade Hosmer before last year thing. Nobody knew Hosmer would slump that hard. You don't trade a promising guy for one bad year, IMO.

You do when you have such high expectations every year.....

Oh wait, nevermind.

Ceej · 04-14-2013, 06:48 PM

1-0 in my trips to the K.

Holler.

**Saul Good** · 04-14-2013, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

why? you don't like your lead-off man in scoring position? WAIT-what if he hit 20 less doubles but stole 2nd base 20 more times. Then you think he'd be a good lead-off man?

It's the same thing, man. Leave him alone. He hits better in that slot, it's been shown.

It's not the same thing. Doubles clear the bases and drive in runs. Stolen bases don't drive in runs.

Cephalic Trauma · 04-14-2013, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not the same thing. Doubles clear the bases and drive in runs. Stolen bases don't drive in runs.

I was surprised to see that his splits leading off and hitting 3 weren't substantially different last year.

That said, I think he'll stay there for the foreseeable future.

Hootie · 04-14-2013, 07:40 PM

all I'm trying to say is

you lump your power (OPS) with your power...

right now we have a guy slugging in the low .200s protecting our best hitter

until Moose and Hosmer learn how to hit on the professional level...they need to stay the **** away from Billy Butler

Hootie · 04-14-2013, 07:41 PM

Escobar
Gordon
Butler
Perez
Cain

would be ok in my book as well

Brianfo · 04-14-2013, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

all I'm trying to say is

you lump your power (OPS) with your power...

right now we have a guy slugging in the low .200s protecting our best hitter

until Moose and Hosmer learn how to hit on the professional level...they need to stay the **** away from Billy Butler

Agree. Put cain or salvy in that spot. moose and hosmer have disappinted so far. It's time for them to shit or get off the pot. I have watched the royals for too many years. Hosmer and Moose it's time for you to put up or shut up.

MeatRock · 04-14-2013, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Escobar
Gordon
Butler
Perez
Cain

would be ok in my book as well

I would be ok with that lineup as well. Hosmer hasn't been nearly as bad as Moose. Moose needs to drop in the lineup a bit.

Nightfyre · 04-14-2013, 08:40 PM

Haven't we already been over the splits of Alex in the leadoff spot? I mean, it was ****ing catastrophic moving him out of that spot.

teedubya · 04-14-2013, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles

1-0 in my trips to the K.

Holler.

I'm 1-1 this year. :-( Went to Friday's abortion.

Deberg_1990 · 04-14-2013, 08:55 PM

on the bright side, they are still tied for 1st even with their offense being so streaky. Imagine how good they can be if Moose and Hosmer start hitting with power.

BigCatDaddy · 04-14-2013, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Haven't we already been over the splits of Alex in the leadoff spot? I mean, it was ****ing catastrophic moving him out of that spot.

I think the splits were pretty even last year. I think he is now matured enough to hit anywhere in the lineup. I'm still not sure I would move him out of leadoff though. He seems to come up a lot with the game on the line in the 9th that way.

Archie F. Swin · 04-15-2013, 05:37 AM

Can we feel better about the Braves that a big chunk of their wins were against the Marlins and Cubbies?

BigCatDaddy · 04-15-2013, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Can we feel better about the Braves that a big chunk of their wins were against the Marlins and Cubbies?

I figure they are due for some losses.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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