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Trader Joes attracts White People.

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Black residents reject Trader Joe’s because it would attract too many white people

February 8, 2014
Trader Joes opposition
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The Trader Joe’s grocery chain has withdrawn plans to build a store in the heart of a predominantly black neighborhood after a black leadership group fought the move.

The Portland Development Commission was set to give the grocer a large discount on property that had been vacant for years, pricing it at just over $500,000, down from an appraised value of $2.9 million, according to The Oregonian.http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...ican_lead.html

The Portland African American Leadership Forum sent a scathing letter in December to city leaders, saying the plan would price residents out of the area and the group“remains opposed to any development in North/Northeast Portland that does not primarily benefit the black community.”

Trader Joe’s would increase displacement of low-income residents and “increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations,” PAALF wrote.

“[This decision] reflects the city’s overall track record of implementing policies that serve to uproot, displace and disempower our most vulnerable community members,” the letter said.

Trader Joe’s bowed out amid the controversy.

“We run neighborhood stores, and our approach is simple: If a neighborhood does not want a Trader Joe’s, we understand, and we won’t open the store in question,” a company spokesperson said in a statement to The Oregonian.

But not everyone is happy about the outcome.

“There are no winners today,” Adam Milne, owner of Old Town Brewing Co., told The Oregonian. “Only missed tax revenue, lost jobs, less foot traffic, an empty lot and a boulevard still struggling to support its local small businesses.”

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Old 02-12-2014, 12:29 PM   #166
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I can tell you an obvious instance where this comes into play. What if trader Joes built this property. [B
The government centrally plans that the four block radius will be saved for future condo owners and developers and that plan targets a richer demographic.[/B]
Again, that's NOT central planning. That's called or city planning and zoning. Zoning is NOT central planning. It is planning but not central. I now know why there's no meeting of the minds arguing economics with you--you don't know what some of the words mean.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:43 PM   #167
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You don't think there are hundreds of instances of minority businesses targeting minority populations that try to enter white neighborhoods?
I'm sure it happens. I think that kind of thing happens for all kinds of reasons though, not just racial animosity.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:48 PM   #168
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Urban Planning
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...urban-planning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_planning

Both entries agree.

Central Planning
http://www.britannica.com/search?query=central+planning

This is economic planning
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:07 PM   #169
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[QUOTE=chiefzilla1501;10429388][QUOTE=blaise;10429351]What would a business that attacts black people to a white neighborhood brake
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Nightclub that attracts mostly black people. Latino businesses and markets or food trucks. Plenty of examples. Take a rich neighborhood with predominantly white people, and you tell me what their reaction will be when they hear that is coming to their neighborhood. How would this film in the deep South. I have seen this very thing happen in a town that quickly got swarmed with Hispanic businesses. If you think there was polite conversation about business value and not comments about Hispanics taking over the town, you're sadly mistaken.
Spend any time in the deep south? If so, where and doing what?
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:08 PM   #170
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Why would a black-focused nightclub or a latino market set up shop in a rich, predominantly white neighborhood?
Because. Thats why.
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What would a business that attacts black people to a white neighborhood brake

Spend any time in the deep south? If so, where and doing what?
I can assure you we have Mexican, Latino, Greek and Asian markets spread throughout Pinellas county -- even near the nicer neighborhoods. There are plenty of white upper-come folks love all that food or are foodies that love to cook it. There's a terrific hole-in-the-wall Colombian restaurant in Tallahassee too.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:28 PM   #172
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I'm sure it happens. I think that kind of thing happens for all kinds of reasons though, not just racial animosity.
I am pointing out that just as there radical black groups raising a stink about this, I am sure there are white neighborhoods who raise a stink about minority businesses that attracts predominantly minority shoppers entering the neighborhood. There is an unbelievable amount of naivete if people think that doesn't actually happen. And I am sure that zoning decisions also often make decisions to turn down businesses with the fear that the business will attract the wrong clientele for the vision of that neighborhood, and sometimes that is absolutely even if hidden motivated by race. Again, I can point to my hometown which was predominantly white and is now heavily Hispanic. I can assure you that the white residents in that town were anything but welcoming.

The fact that you acknowledge it probably happens is better than others here, who apparently live in this fantasy world where only black people worry about other ethnicities entering their neighborhood.
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I am pointing out that just as there radical black groups raising a stink about this, I am sure there are white neighborhoods who raise a stink about minority businesses that attracts predominantly minority shoppers entering the neighborhood. There is an unbelievable amount of naivete if people think that doesn't actually happen. And I am sure that zoning decisions also often make decisions to turn down businesses with the fear that the business will attract the wrong clientele for the vision of that neighborhood, and sometimes that is absolutely even if hidden motivated by race. Again, I can point to my hometown which was predominantly white and is now heavily Hispanic. I can assure you that the white residents in that town were anything but welcoming.

The fact that you acknowledge it probably happens is better than others here, who apparently live in this fantasy world where only black people worry about other ethnicities entering their neighborhood.
I know that it happens, but it's generally considered racist if the example is as shining as the one outlined in the OP.
Which, whatever, it's their neighborhood and they want a certain historical element to remain. This doesn't bother me. If they want to turn down jobs and money, so be it. They have to live there.

But just as it's naive to think this doesn't go on with white communities resisting minority influence, let's not pretend that those instances would be normally considered racist when brought to light.
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You are arguing semantics. I don't care if I'm making the wrong word choice. It's pretty simple, do you support taxpayers subsidizing government to make planning decisions on development including buying out property at a loss for the greater good. That is in essence centralized planning. If you don't want to call it central planning fine. But the fact is you have a central authority using their power and taxpayer money to plan out neighborhoods. And they pick winners or losers by applying non-mainstream based artificial sweeteners subsidized by taxpayers. So yes, I think it's a double standard if you're trying to act like urban planning isn't a government heavy tax heavy solution.
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You are arguing semantics.
Nope. You are confused.
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Let's not forget what the other news link reported--blacks in the neighborhood wanted this. It was just one vocally loud group against.
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The Portland African American Leadership Forum sent a scathing letter in December to city leaders, saying the plan would price residents out of the area and the group“remains opposed to any development in North/Northeast Portland that does not primarily benefit the black community.”

“increase the desirability of the neighborhood,” for “non-oppressed populations,”

But you are probably right. Gentrification would cause a general panic anywhere. Best keep it like it is.
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