Chiefs Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure" - Page 20

**the Talking Can** · 06:49 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

Ace Gunner · 09-26-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Chicago has an entirely new OL. Only the center remains from last year's squad.

3/5 of the Chargers' line is new. Hardwick and Clary are the holdovers.

But our excuse is that we need time to "gel".

let's get down to the details of your post -- you are claiming Chi has 4 starting OL that never played on the team previous to this year?

And SD has 3 new players that were not SD players the previous season?

True or false?

siberian khatru · 09-26-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yep.

Also became pretty obvious later on that the in-season acquisition of Eddie Kennison was going to be great. That team did have perhaps the worst starting set of WRs I think I've ever seen through 10 or 12 weeks.

I remember as soon as Kennison showed up it was like a light switch being flipped on.

Discuss Thrower · 09-26-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Cool. My under grad was a double major in English/Psych. Be who you gotta be

Good to know people can actually find success with that degree. Fairly certain I'm going to have to apply to be a fry cook aomewhere becaus it's impossible to find an entry level career job.

****ing wonderful economy.

Marcellus · 09-26-2013, 10:05 AM

Is someone claiming our OL isn't struggling? Really?

vailpass · 09-26-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Good to know people can actually find success with that degree. Fairly certain I'm going to have to apply to be a fry cook aomewhere becaus it's impossible to find an entry level career job.

****ing wonderful economy.

I went to grad school after. And I'll admit I had a head start.
Pursue what you love, you'll never work a day in your life...

**Rausch** · 09-26-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Allen sucks, Hudson has struggled, as has Asamoah.

They are in no way, shape or form "better".

Allen does suck. I guess if I have to find a compliment he has made a play or 2 in the running game. Hudson has done his part in pass protection but gets little or no push in the running game. Big John is ****ing beastly when it comes to being squared up vs the defender in the running game. I'm not saying he's perfect but I'd argue he's BY FAR the best run blocker on this line.

**RealSNR** · 09-26-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I remember as soon as Kennison showed up it was like a light switch being flipped on.

It was even sweeter that he pissed off the Donks so royally before coming here.

I don't think there's been a player like him to switch sides since then who generated so much hate and animosity from his old team. In the Chiefs/Broncos rivalry, that is.

**Rausch** · 09-26-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Pursue what you love, you'll never work a day in your life...

I have yet to make money off impregnating strangers and consuming large amounts of cheap domestic beer...

saphojunkie · 09-26-2013, 10:10 AM

I don't understand...

When we traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, and all of us complained... what did you think we were complaining about?

When Kyle Orton took over for this team and we saw what even a mildly competent quarterback looked like, what do you think we were saying about the rest of the talent on this team?

Alex Smith is not a game winner. We all know this. We knew this back in March.

The Chiefs are absolutely a playoff caliber team, because they have enough pieces on both sides of the ball.

I, for one, am capable of compartmentalizing my dissatisfaction with our quarterback situation and my relief and joy of having a QB who is capable enough to not lose us games and, if not lead, then shepherd us to victory.

Quarterback remains the single most important position in all of team sports. I am adamant that whoever plays that position needs to be one of your absolute best players.

Alex Smith is not one of our eleven best players. But the other 21 guys are good enough to make up for it right now.

vailpass · 09-26-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I have yet to make money off impregnating strangers and consuming large amounts of cheap domestic beer...

Keep at it, giving single mothers their start is a noble calling...

**The Franchise** · 09-26-2013, 10:11 AM

Allen shouldn't be starting. Schwartz should be at that LG spot. That should help the run game out enough to try and get it going early in the game.

Marcellus · 09-26-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I have yet to make money off impregnating strangers and consuming large amounts of cheap domestic beer...

If you could make $ off of that Florida, Kentucky, Oklahoma ,and Arkansas would be booming.

Mr. Plow · 09-26-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I have yet to make money off impregnating strangers and consuming large amounts of cheap domestic beer...

Keep working at it man. You'll get there.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 10:12 AM

I don't think that anyone is saying that the offense isn't a concern, and shouldn't be improved. I think what most are saying is that its a work in progress, that has the luxury of having the time to grow because of the defense?

I don't recall personally anyone saying that the offense is perfect.

I can recall both Andy Reid and Alex Smith both saying in the post game interviews that there was still a lot to work on.

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 10:15 AM

Regarding Charles, he's actually touched the ball (and scored) more times in 2013 than he had in 2012 through three games, although he has 22 fewer yards:

70 touches for 375 yards and 3 TD
64 touches for 397 yards and 1 TD

He accounts for, right now, 57.8% of the teams rushes, 22.9% of the team's targets on passing plays, 28.1% of the team's receptions and 37.5% of the team's total yardage.

All this without a breakout game like NO in week 3 last year.

I think they know where their bread is buttered.

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09-26-2013, 10:10 AM	#294
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4776250	I don't understand... When we traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, and all of us complained... what did you think we were complaining about? When Kyle Orton took over for this team and we saw what even a mildly competent quarterback looked like, what do you think we were saying about the rest of the talent on this team? Alex Smith is not a game winner. We all know this. We knew this back in March. The Chiefs are absolutely a playoff caliber team, because they have enough pieces on both sides of the ball. I, for one, am capable of compartmentalizing my dissatisfaction with our quarterback situation and my relief and joy of having a QB who is capable enough to not lose us games and, if not lead, then shepherd us to victory. Quarterback remains the single most important position in all of team sports. I am adamant that whoever plays that position needs to be one of your absolute best players. Alex Smith is not one of our eleven best players. But the other 21 guys are good enough to make up for it right now.
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Mav XBOX GT MAVS ACE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wisconsin Casino cash: $10019303	I don't think that anyone is saying that the offense isn't a concern, and shouldn't be improved. I think what most are saying is that its a work in progress, that has the luxury of having the time to grow because of the defense? I don't recall personally anyone saying that the offense is perfect. I can recall both Andy Reid and Alex Smith both saying in the post game interviews that there was still a lot to work on. __________________ Resident Browns fan I’m not here to argue about Alex Smith. Fastest Ignore user on CP
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Regarding Charles, he's actually touched the ball (and scored) more times in 2013 than he had in 2012 through three games, although he has 22 fewer yards: 70 touches for 375 yards and 3 TD 64 touches for 397 yards and 1 TD He accounts for, right now, 57.8% of the teams rushes, 22.9% of the team's targets on passing plays, 28.1% of the team's receptions and 37.5% of the team's total yardage. All this without a breakout game like NO in week 3 last year. I think they know where their bread is buttered.
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