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Old 04-01-2012, 09:20 PM  
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:20 PM   #556
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:22 PM   #557
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Show me a study where the research group and the control group ate the same exact diet at the time the study was done?

It is based solely on the fact that those who originally drink soda (loaded with calories), then switch to diet to "lose weight", are largely making poor decisions with their food choices and nothing more.
So, you mean to say, that if you artificially force certain parameters on the dieters you can get the results you want?

Brilliant!

In real life, though, secondary impacts of things such as the impact of a particular food on overall diet actually matter.


Here's an example from 2011:

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For one study, researchers at the center followed 474 diet soda drinkers, 65 to 74 years of age, for almost 10 years. They found that diet soda drinkers' waists grew 70 percent more than non-drinkers. Specifically, drinking two or more diet sodas a day busted belt sizes five times more than people who avoided the stuff entirely.
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The other study may hold the answer. In it, researchers divided mice into two groups, one of which ate food laced with the popular sweetener aspartame. After three months, the mice eating aspartame-chow had higher blood sugar levels than the mice eating normal food.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...-soda-drinkers

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Adult male Sprague-Dawley rats were given differential experience with a sweet taste that either predicted increased caloric content (glucose) or did not predict increased calories (saccharin). We found that reducing the correlation between sweet taste and the caloric content of foods using artificial sweeteners in rats resulted in increased caloric intake, increased body weight, and increased adiposity, as well as diminished caloric compensation and blunted thermic responses to sweet-tasting diets. These results suggest that consumption of products containing artificial sweeteners may lead to increased body weight and obesity by interfering with fundamental homeostatic, physiological processes.
http://www.ncbi..nih.gov/pubmed/?term=A+Role+for+Sweet+Taste%3A+Calorie+Predictive+Relations+in+Energy+Regulation
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:24 PM   #558
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There's something weird going on with soda. I weigh myself religiously every day, and on days when I have soda my weight shoots up. I'm talking a lot. More than the weight of the soda. I really think soda does something to your system that makes you retain fluids or something.

Well, if you weigh yourself with a newly drank two liter in your body then you are going to weigh a bit more.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:29 PM   #559
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Well, if you weigh yourself with a newly drank two liter in your body then you are going to weigh a bit more.
Soda has a lot of sodium.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:29 PM   #560
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So, you mean to say, that if you artificially force certain parameters on the dieters you can get the results you want?
Studies with rats? We have rationale brains that allow us to make choices, rats do not.

So I am most likely right since the only human study you quoted largely suggests that diet soda drinkers are obviously not making adequate food choices. See how many fit people you find drinking any kind of soda. Oh that is right, they use their rationale brains to determine that they don't need it along with understanding basic nutrition for other food choices. Anyone who chooses to drink a boat load of diet soda probably accompanies them with bagel bites and other absurd food choices then blames it on some artificial sweetener. The onus is never on the person!
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:29 PM   #561
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There's something weird going on with soda. I weigh myself religiously every day, and on days when I have soda my weight shoots up. I'm talking a lot. More than the weight of the soda. I really think soda does something to your system that makes you retain fluids or something.
Both salt and sugar lead to water retention.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:29 PM   #562
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There's something weird going on with soda. I weigh myself religiously every day, and on days when I have soda my weight shoots up. I'm talking a lot. More than the weight of the soda. I really think soda does something to your system that makes you retain fluids or something.
What soda? Sodium makes you retain water, as does carbohydrates.
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Gonna go get another Diet Dr. Pepper.

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Studies with rats? We have rationale brains that allow us to make choices, rats do not.

So I am most likely right since the only human study you quoted largely suggests that diet soda drinkers are obviously not making adequate food choices. See how many fit people you find drinking any kind of soda. Oh that is right, they use their rationale brains to determine that they don't need it along with understanding basic nutrition for other food choices. Anyone who chooses to drink a boat load of diet soda probably accompanies them with bagel bites.
Since I'm not about to waste my time getting into how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices with someone who doesn't give a damn about how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices, we seem to be at an impasse. Suffice it to say that a blanket "choices" argument is really ****ing stupid.
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So, you mean to say, that if you artificially force certain parameters on the dieters you can get the results you want?
Since when is using a control "forcing parameters"? Bro, do you even science?

In studies about diets, rats are a poor analog for humans. De novo lipogenesis is a much more efficient mechanism in rats than it is in humans.
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Dude, I heard if you drink diet soda that it puts you in a trance and makes you go to the freezer for bagel bites and jalapeno poppers! It turns your brain off dude! Be careful.
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Since I'm not about to waste my time getting into how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices with someone who doesn't give a damn about how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices, we seem to be at an impasse. Suffice it to say that a blanket "choices" argument is really ****ing stupid.
How so? You quoted a study without a properly run control group. You don't even get the point of controlling all parameters to determine causation. Almost all horseshit studies can show correlation, which is not causation.
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Well, if you weigh yourself with a newly drank two liter in your body then you are going to weigh a bit more.
No, it's more than the soda weight, I swear. And it's more than normal salt/sugar stuff. I'm a sample size of one, but soda has some multiplicative impact on weight for me.
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Dude, I heard if you drink diet soda that it puts you in a trance and makes you go to the freezer for bagel bites and jalapeno poppers! It turns your brain off dude! Be careful.
I would ****ing love to eat a whole box of triscuits right now but....I am a man and not a weak little spineless pussy who caves to prehistoric desires.
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Since I'm not about to waste my time getting into how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices with someone who doesn't give a damn about how brain and body chemistry can impact personal choices, we seem to be at an impasse. Suffice it to say that a blanket "choices" argument is really ****ing stupid.
It's not stupid. Certainly, there is a component of ANY food consumption that determines the body's hormonal response, and that hormonal response can impact the foods we eat. But it still comes down to CHOICE. Just because you are craving something doesn't mean that you HAVE to eat it. It's certainly more difficult to ignore when you are fighting a huge ghrelin spike, but it's not impossible.
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