If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Coogs

In 13 games last season, the offense put 52 points on the board in the 1st half of games. 4 points a game average. That was damn near unwatchable.

One could point fingers anywhere and make a case as to why that was so, but IMO bottom line was that it came back to ***** forcing Cassel on the team. Outside of Winston, I just don't think the team bought into Cassel being the guy. Hali said as much when Orton was QB. RAC did as well.

Sac has made some great posts the last couple of weeks as why there should/could be reason for optimism this coming season.

While the team may not be perfect at every position, it is clear the new regime is making legit moves to make this a very competitive team as quickly as possible.

Likely won't be an issue for Alex. Through it all, Alex had a lot of respect and faith from the main players on the team. (Justin Smith, Willis, Gore, Staley, Vernon Davis, etc.)

(not at all to say you are suggesting otherwise)

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Coogs

In 13 games last season, the offense put 52 points on the board in the 1st half of games. 4 points a game average. That was damn near unwatchable.

One could point fingers anywhere and make a case as to why that was so, but IMO bottom line was that it came back to ***** forcing Cassel on the team. Outside of Winston, I just don't think the team bought into Cassel being the guy. Hali said as much when Orton was QB. RAC did as well.

Sac has made some great posts the last couple of weeks as why there should/could be reason for optimism this coming season.

While the team may not be perfect at every position, it is clear the new regime is making legit moves to make this a very competitive team as quickly as possible.

They can buy into Smith all they want. It won't lead to wins.

Also, you really didn't refute anything I said.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Well, I have just been informed by a nice Moderator (I didn't know you had any of those. Moderators I mean, not be they to nice or bad... ) that a certain Chiefs Planet member is NOT posting here under multiple usernames.

I stand corrected and the matter shall be dropped forthwith.

I understand that an apology addressed to the entire forum membership is in order. So, here goes...


Men!

I can assure you that I had no intention of being either harsh or cruel in my treatment of the... Chiefsplanet member in question. My sole purpose was to try to restore in him some sense of appreciation of his obligations as a Chiefs fan and member of this forum. "If one could shame an Alexsexual," I felt, "one might help him to regain his self-respect." This was on my mind. Now, I freely admit that my method was wrong, but I hope you can understand my motive. And that you will accept this explanation... and this... apology.

Now I'm outta here like shit through a goose.

Not as good as the A Few Good Men post but well done . Rep.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Its pretty obvious we have one of the best QBs in the game, along with one of the best OL in the game and maybe the best RB in the game. Our offense should be dominant.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Its pretty obvious we have one of the best QBs in the game, along with one of the best OL in the game and maybe the best RB in the game. Our offense should be dominant.

Should? It better dominate no excuses.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Should? It better dominate no excuses.

I like your attitude young man. kc homers unite!

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Its pretty obvious we have one of the best QBs in the game

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

They can buy into Smith all they want. It won't lead to wins.

Also, you really didn't refute anything I said.

What was there to refute? You didn't make any statements of fact. You just expressed your opinions. Personally, I think your opinions are pretty unrealistic, but opinions aren't the kind of things that can be proven wrong.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Also, you really didn't refute anything I said.

Sort of. You point to the defense as being the weak link last season. I think the offense that posted 4 points a game in the first half was a far bigger problem. They played great the year before with Orton... when Orton kept them on the sideline. And Orton kept that on the sideline without Charles and Moeaki.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What was there to refute? You didn't make any statements of fact. You just expressed your opinions. Personally, I think your opinions are pretty unrealistic, but opinions aren't the kind of things that can be proven wrong.

Make an argument as to why any of the opinions I offered are wrong.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Sort of. You point to the defense as being the weak link last season. I think the offense that posted 4 points a game in the first half was a far bigger problem. They played great the year before with Orton... when Orton kept them on the sideline. And Orton kept that on the sideline without Charles and Moeaki.

I'm pretty sure I said nothing about the defense being the weak link last season. I talked about why they wouldn't be particularly good this coming year, but I think it's clear that the Chiefs' O scares no one, before or after trading for Smith.

Seems pretty simple, stop the run and force Smith to beat you. If you're lucky, you won't even have to do that, because Reid will do it for you.

[RunKC]

Pretty interesting to look back at Andy Reid's work showing why he is so good with QB's.

Before going to Philly, Mike Vick was an inaccurate running QB who never threw 3,000 yards. He also never averaged 30 passes a game in his career.

Once he got coached by Reid, he looked drastically better. His first year starting in 2010 was incredible for his standards. He completed over 60% of his passes, only threw 6 INT's and had a 100 QBR.

Then in 2011 he kept his completion % to 60%, threw even more yards and exceled to a better passing QB than he ever was in Atlanta.

Then last year, even with the OL trouble, he threw a lot more yards. He was on pace to have almost 3,800 passing yards. Yes that's right. You read that right.
All of this was with Vick throwing 30 or more passes on average.

Now to look at Alex Smith. The last 2 years, Alex Smith was 9-3 when he threw the ball 30 times a game with 14 TD's to 7 INT's (3 INT's were in one game).

Last year Alex Smith was on pace to throw 24 TD's and have around 3,300 passing yards in Harbaugh's conservative offense.

According to the stats, it's not out of the question that Alex Smith has a good year. I think it's definitely possible for him to throw 25 TD's and 3,400 yards in this more aggressive offense.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

DeVito is Dorsey. They're the same. The entire DL is underwhelming. DJ is very good, whoever ends up as the SILB is a complete unknown. Hali and Houston are fine, but you know who had more pressures with fewer rushing snaps than either? Old, broken, out-of-position Dwight Freeney.

The OL looks impressive, but Bowe and Charles are the only talented skill players on offense. Offensively, the Chiefs will not be much better than last season.

I'd guess 6 wins.

If we play Martyball we can win 10+ plus games, if Reid plays Andy Reid football and makes Alex Smith throw - 6 wins at best.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I'm pretty sure I said nothing about the defense being the weak link last season. I talked about why they wouldn't be particularly good this coming year, but I think it's clear that the Chiefs' O scares no one, before or after trading for Smith.

Seems pretty simple, stop the run and force Smith to beat you. If you're lucky, you won't even have to do that, because Reid will do it for you.

My bad. I took your post wrong I guess.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Pretty interesting to look back at Andy Reid's work showing why he is so good with QB's.

Before going to Philly, Mike Vick was an inaccurate running QB who never threw 3,000 yards. He also never averaged 30 passes a game in his career.

Once he got coached by Reid, he looked drastically better. His first year starting in 2010 was incredible for his standards. He completed over 60% of his passes, only threw 6 INT's and had a 100 QBR.

Then in 2011 he kept his completion % to 60%, threw even more yards and exceled to a better passing QB than he ever was in Atlanta.

Then last year, even with the OL trouble, he threw a lot more yards. He was on pace to have almost 3,800 passing yards. Yes that's right. You read that right.
All of this was with Vick throwing 30 or more passes on average.

Now to look at Alex Smith. The last 2 years, Alex Smith was 9-3 when he threw the ball 30 times a game with 14 TD's to 7 INT's (3 INT's were in one game).

Last year Alex Smith was on pace to throw 24 TD's and have around 3,300 passing yards in Harbaugh's conservative offense.

According to the stats, it's not out of the question that Alex Smith has a good year. I think it's definitely possible for him to throw 25 TD's and 3,400 yards in this more aggressive offense.

I'll accept that arguement and always have from the beginning. Vick became something he had never been before with the Eagles so the only hope is for Alex to also become something he has never been in his career. I'm not sold on Reid's ability to evaluate QB talent, but I think he can make a QB better.

I don't think it happens, but it's the only possible way to justfy the move.