Movies and TV The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread - Page 46

**mdchiefsfan** · 07-20-2012, 02:42 AM

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

**kysirsoze** · 08-01-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

Don't think so. I thought they may go that way, too. But on one viewing I don't think they ever connected the two.

**kysirsoze** · 08-01-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

BTW, interesting order. (Begins, DKR, DK)

I can see how Begins is a better stand alone film, much like Fellowship was the best stand alone film in the LOTR, IMO. I just enjoyed DK so much more. REALLY surprised (and interested) that you liked DKR more than DK. Why?

Frazod · 08-01-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Don't think so. I thought they may go that way, too. But on one viewing I don't think they ever connected the two.

Seemed like they were hinting at that, but I wasn't sure. Frankly, I had a hell of a time hearing it - my hearing kind of sucks anyway, but I had more trouble than usual following the dialogue in many of the scenes (I couldn't hear half of what Bane said).

I won't see it again in the theater, but I look forward to picking it up on blu-ray so I can watch it with the friggin subtitles turned on.

Frazod · 08-01-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

BTW, interesting order. (Begins, DKR, DK)

I can see how Begins is a better stand alone film, much like Fellowship was the best stand alone film in the LOTR, IMO. I just enjoyed DK so much more. REALLY surprised (and interested) that you liked DKR more than DK. Why?

Well, I really don't want to touch off another another pissing contest with the Ledgerites, but I didn't care for his portrayal of the Joker. I also found the plot to be ridiculously convoluted, I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd (especially the burned away face with the pristine eyeball sticking out), and I hated the ending, although not quite so much now that I've seen the next movie. Oh, and Maggie Gyllenhaal with her droopy skull face and banana titties should be wearing a ****ing burka.

All of these things were absent from this movie, and I appreciated it much more.

**kysirsoze** · 08-01-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Well, I really don't want to touch off another another pissing contest with the Ledgerites, but I didn't care for his portrayal of the Joker. I also found the plot to be ridiculously convoluted, I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd (especially the burned away face with the pristine eyeball sticking out), and I hated the ending, although not quite so much now that I've seen the next movie. Oh, and Maggie Gyllenhaal with her droopy skull face and banana titties should be wearing a ****ing burka.

All of these things were absent from this movie, and I appreciated it much more.

Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.

Frazod · 08-01-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.

It also seems like between DK and DKR, Bale remembered how to act again. He did a much better job this time around.

**kysirsoze** · 08-01-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

It also seems like between DK and DKR, Bale remembered how to act again. He did a much better job this time around.

Honestly, I think he just had a lot more to do. Ledger and Eckhart had such powerful roles in the movie, the less dynamic Batman/Bruce Wayne got pushed to the side a bit. This movie really got back to Batman with Bane being a little bit more single-minded.

Micjones · 08-02-2012, 07:02 AM

I wasn't satisfied with Batman's "defeat" of Bane.
Not after that epic ass-whoopin he took.

Amnorix · 08-02-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Ha. I can see all of that. I am a huge fan of Ledger's performance, but I'm not one of those people who think that's the end all Joker. I look forward to one day seeing someone else bring a new approach to that character since he's my favorite comic book villain.

Also, I totally agree on the plot being convoluted. I still liked it, but I think a lot of people see that movie with rose-colored glasses. More hard to believe than that Two-Face thing for me was the absolute omniscience and infallibility of the Joker. For someone who's entire outlook is based around chaos, nothing went wrong for him until the last ten minutes of the movie.

I prefer DK to DKR, I think, but I've only seen this one once.

A frequent problem in movies. I try to suspend disbelief at all times in watching these kinds of movies, but I'm repeatedly taken out of the scene with the brief thought of "how the HELL could they have known to be here at this exact time and catch them doing this". Sometimes it gets explained later, even only a few seconds later, and when that happens I'm happy, but more often than not it's just "bad guys can be everywhere at once, just roll with it."

Hammock Parties · 08-02-2012, 07:31 AM

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I thought the whole Two Face thing was absurd

Heh. You realize Two Face is a recurring Batman character for over 50 years?

Or did you just not like the way he was portrayed...

Frazod · 08-02-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Heh. You realize Two Face is a recurring Batman character for over 50 years?

Or did you just not like the way he was portrayed...

I've never been a big comic book guy, so I really don't care how long he was a recurring character.

And no, I didn't care for the way he was portrayed. I realize there's a certain suspension of disbelief at work here, but the whole protruding eye thing was dumb.

Hammock Parties · 08-02-2012, 08:23 AM

Well, that's kinda how he's supposed to be.

It's kinda like criticizing Return of the King for all the multiple endings. That's how the story goes.

Frazod · 08-02-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Well, that's kinda how he's supposed to be.

It's kinda like criticizing Return of the King for all the multiple endings. That's how the story goes.

That's nice. And I still don't care. They could have simply made half his face disfigured and that would have been fine. I get the concept. But completely burned away? Dumb. With a pristine flame-reerunant eyeball and optic nerve? Even dumber.

DJ's left nut · 08-02-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Finally saw this tonight. I really enjoyed it. I liked it far better than the last one, although I still think the first one is the best.

One question - and bite me if asked and answered, but it's late and I don't feel like digging through hundreds of posts. Was the guy who ended up being Robin supposed to be the same kid who was on the roof with Rachel at the end of the first movie?

I think that's the order I put them in as well.

It's close between Begins and Rises, but as much as I loved Liam Neeson in the first one, Scarecrow just sucked the hind tit. I liked the story in Begins better, but I just like Rises a little bit more as a movie.

Ledger's performance has been deified because he became Teflon after his death. For almost any credible performance you can find people willing to give it good, even great reviews. The difference between a good job and a great job is that nobody is going to give a great job negative treatment. I still don't think that Ledger did a legitimately great job; but nobody was going to give a corpse negative treatment. There was no counter-point so it just became gospel that Ledger's performance was superlative.

It was good. It was very good, in fact. But it doesn't make up for the presence of Gyllenhall and the fact that the story as it relates to Batman is static. Batman beats ass at the beginning, Batman beats ass at the end. He's the same guy throughout.

It's the change in Bruce Wayne as Batman that makes me like the first and third installments more. You combine that with villains that are almost (if not quite) as compelling as the Joker and I think you have just a little more meat on the bones than there is in TDK.

DJ's left nut · 08-02-2012, 08:55 AM

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If it appeared I was specifically defending Reaper, I wasn't. Your post, while in response to Reaper, was a general attack on those you deem to be movie snobs that revealed you as something of one yourself. It's something I see all the time and it tends to bother me.

"Don't do much for me"

See that part? That would be where I establish that others may not share my belief. You're free to watch foreign films and indy documentaries all you want; it's no skin off my ass. My bone of contention was with people that will do so and castigate others for not doing the same.

Movie snobs can still lick my taint.

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