Why not Kellen Moore ?

[OzarksChiefsFan]

There may be the second coming of Drew Brees in this years draft. Kellen Moore is a coaches son who has incredible accuracy and pocket awareness. Here's a link.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...b-kellen-moore

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

You are going to have to go deeper into explaining this.

Moore doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers arm but he's thrown 50 yard deep balls to his receivers in stride on multiple occasions in college. He can get the ball down field if he wants and can put enough zip, coupled with his accuracy, to beat defenses on short-mid routes.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Palko is done. If Palko lands on another team, he can thank Jesus and better go to Church every Sunday.

Tebow is booked all year.

[OzarksChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Also true.

Everyone wants to act like Brees was some great QB coming out of college. He wasn't. He wasn't very good at all actually. He didn't start playing worth a shit till the Chargers took Rivers in the 1st. Then he had an 'ok' season.

I guess you mean 2003 when the whole team was struggling not just Brees. His QB rating the next year was 104.8 might of had something to do with them getting a certain TE as an undrafted FA that year. They didn't get Jackson until 2005.

My point of this is if you are not drafting in the top 5 and you need a QB leave no stone unturned. Moore might have some ability and can probably be had as an undrafted FA.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What I like about Moore:

Accurate Arm. I think he could be a bit more accurate, but I think that'll occur with time.

Mobile in the pocket

Not afraid of the pass rush, which is HUGE. For me, it's the biggest positive a Qb can have. The ability to stand in the pocket.

He's a winner. The guy just wins. No matter how you wanna slice it, he plays like a gamer. IMO, he has the "IT" factor.

If only he were 6" taller and 20 pound heavier......Dude would be a 1st rounder.

And so is Tim Tebow. I swear to god, I never want to hear "he's a winner" in regards to a college quarterback again in my life. It's just completely irrelevant and it's often revisionist bullshit that we hear after the fact.

And he may not be afraid of the pass rush now, but wait until NFL lineman and LBers are blasting him. A little fear of the pass-rush is a good thing, especially if you weigh 190 lbs; this aint Big Ben - he can't take that pounding. Worse still, unlike a guy like Rogers who could roll out a little bit and still have the arm strength to fire the ball, Moore basically has to step into his throws to make them go anywhere, so he has no real choice but to get blasted.

He won't be able to really throw on the move in this league due to his limited arm so you can't even roll him left or right to move the pocket to slow down pass-rushes. Further, 'the ability to stand in the pocket' is only good if you can survive the impact or at least minimize the harm thereof. Moore has to put his whole body into throws and if he has to do that in the fact of a rush 15 - 20 times/gm, he's simply going to get physically abused.

He's a non-entity here, IMO.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

My point of this is if you are not drafting in the top 5 and you need a QB leave no stone unturned. Moore might have some ability and can probably be had as an undrafted FA.

I highly doubt that. He will be drafted and probably earlier than people expect. I don't expect him to go any earlier than the 5th.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You are going to have to go deeper into explaining this.

Moore doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers arm but he's thrown 50 yard deep balls to his receivers in stride on multiple occasions in college. He can get the ball down field if he wants and can put enough zip, coupled with his accuracy, to beat defenses on short-mid routes.

What he's trying to say is that Moore's skill set is best suited for a timing offense, like Brees'.

And I could agree with that. I watch him play and, yeah, he looks like the type of QB that should be throwing to a spot rather than forcing an improv throw on the fly. His argument is that our offense won't throw enough to let him develop the timing needed to for him to be successful. That I don't agree with.

This team should be transitioning to an offense like that, not standing pat and leaning on a run game.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You are going to have to go deeper into explaining this.

Moore doesn't have an Aaron Rodgers arm but he's thrown 50 yard deep balls to his receivers in stride on multiple occasions in college. He can get the ball down field if he wants and can put enough zip, coupled with his accuracy, to beat defenses on short-mid routes.

Deep balls have nothing to do with it (though the amount of air he has to put under them would make them meat for ball-hawk safeties like Ed Reed, witness what they did to TJ Yates last week).

A simple 10-yard out needs to either be thrown with enough zip to put it past a driving DB or it needs to be thrown with letter-perfect timing before his WR even thinks about making his break, to ensure that the little hump he'll have to put into it to get it there isn't enough for the DB to adjust and break it up.

He doesn't have the fastball to drive it past a DB, so the timing has to be nails even on short passing routes. If you're not a legitimate deep passing threat (and we wouldn't be), DBs could play tight on the corners and look to jump those routes.

Moore would be a disaster in a run-first system, IMO.

[Chiefnj2]

His height plus throwing motion and release = lots of fumbles and batted balls.

[Hammock Parties]

Kellen Moore under Romeo Crennel would be even greater odds for a SB championship.

Let's get the oldest head coach possible, and the least physically prototypical quarterback and shock the world.

[ILChief]

Stanzi will be a much better pro than Moore

[Dave Lane]

I'd be in for a 2nd or a 3rd on him. Of course given our track record in the 2nd it might be safer to draft him in the 3rd

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And so is Tim Tebow. I swear to god, I never want to hear "he's a winner" in regards to a college quarterback again in my life. It's just completely irrelevant and it's often revisionist bullshit that we hear after the fact.

And he may not be afraid of the pass rush now, but wait until NFL lineman and LBers are blasting him. A little fear of the pass-rush is a good thing, especially if you weigh 190 lbs; this aint Big Ben - he can't take that pounding. Worse still, unlike a guy like Rogers who could roll out a little bit and still have the arm strength to fire the ball, Moore basically has to step into his throws to make them go anywhere, so he has no real choice but to get blasted.

He won't be able to really throw on the move in this league due to his limited arm so you can't even roll him left or right to move the pocket to slow down pass-rushes. Further, 'the ability to stand in the pocket' is only good if you can survive the impact or at least minimize the harm thereof. Moore has to put his whole body into throws and if he has to do that in the fact of a rush 15 - 20 times/gm, he's simply going to get physically abused.

He's a non-entity here, IMO.

Comparing him to a guy like Tebow is reeruned, you know that. Completely different skill sets.

And does Moore have a long injury history? Because even on the college level, he's getting hit.

IMO, in order for Moore to work out in the NFL, like you said, he needs to develop great timing with his WR's and get the ball out quickly to minimize the amount of times he gets hit.

It's doable.

[Akron's#1ChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Palko played in front of him because of one man, and one man alone... Haley. Palko is a RFA and will be lucky to ever play in the NFL again.

Yeah, Palko is Brodie Croyle bad. That's bad....

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

In all fairness, if we're only passing the ball 22 times a game, we probably aren't winning anyway. The offense, at some point, will have to open up.

isn't that the reason we are looking for a Franchise QB?

Not a good argument IMO.

If we're passing 40 times/gm, Romeo's 2-gap scheme is going to be far less effective and that bend but don't break thing just isn't going to fly.

And even if we throw the ball 30 times/gm, I don't want to be doing it from an offense like the Saints or even the Pats. I know everyone wants to say the running game is dead, but I disagree. Trying to be exclusively a running team may be dead, but I still think to have a consistently successful team you need to have no worse than an above-average running game. You need to be able to present a credible threat of running the football at all times and you need to be able to adapt on days that the pass just isn't working (some days that's going to happen).

I want to remain no worse than a single-back offense starting from under center. If you're going to run a small, undersized quarterback out there you essentially have to operate a pure timing-pattern, shotgun style offense where you run the ball as something of a changeup.

I don't like that idea at all. I don't mind having it in our bag, but I damn sure don't want to build an offense focused on that kind of football; it's simply too dependent on things you can't control. Further, it also requires a HOF caliber QB to operate it well.

I know we keep looking to teams like NO, NE and GB as 'model' offenses, but that's because they happen to have 3 QBs that are potential HOFers by the time all is said and done, hell all 3 could end up being considered top 20 guys ever. Even if we hit on a 'franchise' guy, it's going to be more like Eli Manning or Cutler or Big Ben; guys that are very good QBs but all of those guys need versatile, rounded offenses to succeed.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Comparing him to a guy like Tebow is reeruned, you know that. Completely different skill sets.

And does Moore have a long injury history? Because even on the college level, he's getting hit.

IMO, in order for Moore to work out in the NFL, like you said, he needs to develop great timing with his WR's and get the ball out quickly to minimize the amount of times he gets hit.

It's doable.

He's getting hit by MAC sized players. Subject him to 16 weeks of NFL-sized guys hitting him and he'll break.

It's 'doable' only to the extent that it's not completely impossible. But like I said, the odds are better that Osweiler, Cousins, Stanzi or a number of other QBs that wouldn't require Swiss-Watch style precision would actually succeed at this level.

You have to do too much to build your offense around his weaknesses for me to be at all comfortable with a guy like Moore at QB. At that point you're playing to his faults, not your strengths. It's essentially like building a team around Tyler Palko - and yes, they have startlingly similar physical skill-sets. There's just not enough to work with there to justify building an offense around it.