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duncan_idaho · 09:30 AM

With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository.

To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985.

25-man RosterAvailable HERE

AL Central Standings:

Link

Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects

Spoiler!

**DeezNutz** · 06-04-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

That made me want to puke. Please hire Farhan Zaidi as our next GM and send Dayton packing his ****ing bags. I hate that outdated asswipe.

Yep. Bitter pill that article...

Ceej · 06-04-2014, 08:45 AM

Can't wait to watch the Royals score three runs in the next two games.

CaliforniaChief · 06-04-2014, 08:47 AM

This is what ownership needs to get:

We aren't a hitting coach or even a manager away from becoming good. It's a systemic failure from scouting to drafting to development to coaching to management to on-field play.

Unfortunately, the last 8 years will most likely add up to nothing, and an organizational reset button must be pushed.

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Winning 4/6 on the road against good teams was nice, but I need to see a lot more before I buy into this stuff.

**DeezNutz** · 06-04-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This is what ownership needs to get:

We aren't a hitting coach or even a manager away from becoming good. It's a systemic failure from scouting to drafting to development to coaching to management to on-field play.

Unfortunately, the last 8 years will most likely add up to nothing, and an organizational reset button must be pushed.

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Winning 4/6 on the road against good teams was nice, but I need to see a lot more before I buy into this stuff.

Outstanding post. Couldn't agree more.

**ChiTown** · 06-04-2014, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This is what ownership needs to get:

We aren't a hitting coach or even a manager away from becoming good. It's a systemic failure from scouting to drafting to development to coaching to management to on-field play.

Unfortunately, the last 8 years will most likely add up to nothing, and an organizational reset button must be pushed.

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Winning 4/6 on the road against good teams was nice, but I need to see a lot more before I buy into this stuff.

I love you.....

Why Not? · 06-04-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Oh yeah, God, I miss the days when the Star had good sports writers.

This. Say what you will about Whitlock but when he and Poz wrote for the star it was awesome.

Archie F. Swin · 06-04-2014, 09:50 AM

I still think 2013 is our yea........

....shit

okcchief · 06-04-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This is what ownership needs to get:

We aren't a hitting coach or even a manager away from becoming good. It's a systemic failure from scouting to drafting to development to coaching to management to on-field play.

Unfortunately, the last 8 years will most likely add up to nothing, and an organizational reset button must be pushed.

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Winning 4/6 on the road against good teams was nice, but I need to see a lot more before I buy into this stuff.

this

DeepSouth · 06-04-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You need to win maybe a couple more than that but for the most part that is pretty close, that would put you at a 88 win season.

Over a full season of 162 games, win half of the games on the road, that's 40. Win 2/3 of the home games, that's 53-54 depending how you round. That's 93 -94 wins for the season.

CaliforniaChief · 06-04-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Over a full season of 162 games, win half of the games on the road, that's 40. Win 2/3 of the home games, that's 53-54 depending how you round. That's 93 -94 wins for the season.

Minus the 3 games we lost to the Houston Astros at the K.

DaWolf · 06-04-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Agreed. From what I can tell that's one of the big issues with this regime, with Dayton continuing to pull on and refer to how they did it with the Braves, hiring people who worked with the Braves and Cox, etc. Obviously what the Braves did was not replicated here in any way, shape, or form...

Three7s · 06-04-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

I still think 2013 is our yea........

....shit

Our time?

SPATCH · 06-04-2014, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This is what ownership needs to get:

We aren't a hitting coach or even a manager away from becoming good. It's a systemic failure from scouting to drafting to development to coaching to management to on-field play.

Unfortunately, the last 8 years will most likely add up to nothing, and an organizational reset button must be pushed.

But a word of caution goes with this as well. Zaidi looks like a great candidate, and I think there are others as well. But as we saw with the Chiefs, replicating another team's "way" or "methods" doesn't necessarily guarantee success, either.

Winning 4/6 on the road against good teams was nice, but I need to see a lot more before I buy into this stuff.

Dale Sveum

ChiefsCountry · 06-04-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Agreed. From what I can tell that's one of the big issues with this regime, with Dayton continuing to pull on and refer to how they did it with the Braves, hiring people who worked with the Braves and Cox, etc. Obviously what the Braves did was not replicated here in any way, shape, or form...

Ironically the Braves way came from the Royals Way. Just haven't had that cycle circle back around.

Royals essentially need to find their Carl/Marty combo.

duncan_idaho · 06-04-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Ironically the Braves way came from the Royals Way. Just haven't had that cycle circle back around.

Royals essentially need to find their Carl/Marty combo.

I think what's left out of the "Braves way" equation is that the Braves didn't just rely on young kids from their system. Yes, there were a lot of those.

But the Braves also signed Sid Bream and Terry Pendleton as free agents to help supplement the young position talent. They brought in John Smoltz via a very shrewd (and lucky - was done before Schuerholz got there) trade. And they made good acquisitions/signings as time went on (Fred McGriff... Greg Maddux... etc).

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2014 Royals Repository With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository. To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985. 25-man RosterAvailable HERE AL Central Standings: Link Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects Spoiler! 1) 3B Hunter Dozier ETA: 2015 Dozier started slowly at A+ Wilmington but caught fire in May and June, earning a mid-season promotion to AA Northwest Arkansas. Big, strong kid with good plate discipline skills and solid power who projects to be an above-average glove at 3B with solid power. 2) SS Raul (Adalberto) Mondesi ETA: 2017 Mondesis is the opposite of Dozier…. Started red-hot at Wilmington before back spasms derailed him for a few weeks and hasn’t gotten it going since coming back. Scouting reports have been great – defense and speed both improved over the offseason. Still a chance to be an elite SS, with 40 SB speed, plus glove, .300 average and some pop. 3) LHP Sean Manaea \| ETA: 2015 Scouting reports outperform the stat line so far. Missing a ton of bats at A+ but not preventing runs like you’d expect to see. Needs to work deeper into games (gradually working about an inning deeper/month so far this year) and improve control. Walks are biggest concern right now, but could be elevated due to work on extra off-speed offerings. Still has No. 2 starter potential, could be higher if the great control he exhibited before his hip surgery eventually comes back. 4) RHP Kyle Zimmer\| ETA: 2015 Should be NO. 1 on the list and is probably the Royals most VALUABLE current prospect, but he hasn’t thrown a ball in 4-5 weeks and had only been throwing for 2-3 weeks when he was shut down then. 5) LHP Brandon Finnegan\| ETA: 2015 Top 2014 draft choice is an undersized lefty who will start at A+ Wilmington after anchoring CWS run for TCU. Good fastball, better slider, change that needs work to stick as a starter, but if he sticks, No. 2/No. 3 starter upside. Likely a top 10 or even top 5 pick if he doesn’t miss 1 start in the middle of the college season as a precautionary move. 6) RHP Miguel Almonte\| ETA: 2016 Have heard some say Almonte is more advanced as a pitcher at A+ than Yordano Ventura was (comparison because both were cheap signs out of Latin America). Really advanced changeup and a curve that is working out well (where the ‘more advanced’ comment comes from). Fastball velo is good but not great – 92-94. Like Manaea, working on his second-best offspeed pitch and leaning less on his bread-and butter (changeup), which has hurt his numbers a bit. 7) RHP Christian Binford 2017 Reverse case of “don’t just scout stat lines.” Based on his stats at A+, you’d think he was an elite prospect, but there are questions about Binford’s stuff playing up at higher levels. Tall righty with great command of fastball, slider and a good and still developing changeup. None of those pitches profiles as better than average, though, limiting his likely upside to back-end rotation guy. 8) SS Orlando Calixte\| ETA: 2016 I still like him more than many. Good combination of SS/MI skills and power. Started hot at NWA but in a slump at moment. 9)LHP Foster Griffin \| ETA: 2019 Tall, projectable lefty taken in 2014 draft. Viewed as a great value in the sandwich round and probably would have been KC’s pick at No. 17 if Finnegan hadn’t fallen. High school arm who is going to take a while to develop. 10) RF Jorge Bonifacio\| ETA: 2016 Hasn’t hit as well as expected in his second go-round at AA NWA. Power still sapped, and average skills have dipped. Once looked like he might be an option in RF at some point in 2015, now looks like 2016 is optimistic. Still young for his level. 11) 3B/2B Cheslor Cuthbert\| ETA: 2016 Cuthbert has had better luck at NWA than Boni and is also extremely young for level. HE’s been moved to 2B since Dozier was promoted, which could put a new spin on Cuthbert’s prospects. If he sticks at 2B, bat plays up much better. Good OBP/plate discipline and solid power, but needs to continue improving contact skills 12) C Chase Vallot\| ETA: 2020 Young (just 17) C with tremendous power. One of the top prep bats and a great value for KC where it got him. If he sticks at C, expect him to move slowly, but the bat may force the issue (or force him to another position). 13) C Zane Evans\| ETA: 2017 GA Tech product has handled Wilmington better than most RH bats and probably is in line for a promotion to NWA sometime soon. Decent pop, decent skills behind the plate. Could be a nice reserve catcher. 14) RHP Scott Blewett\| ETA: 2020 Tall, projectable righty with a fresh arm but some injury concerns on his shoulder that slipped him out of Round 1 of MLB draft. Big time potential. 15) CF Bubba Starling \| ETA: Bubba Starling has great tools. Bubba Starling (still) can’t hit. That’s all I have to say about that. 16) 1B Samir Duenez\| ETA: I still like him, even though the attempt to run him through full season ball at 17 did not go well. 17)LF/RF Elier Hernandez\| ETA: Hernandez still pops up in scouting reports but still is very raw and toolsy. 18) RHP Pedro Fernandez\| ETA: Pop-up player on the same track as Ventura and Almonte. Similar signing, similar profile. One to watch over next few years. 19) SS Marten Gasparini\| ETA: Royals’ most expensive international signing likely moves to CF eventually, but his speed and athleticism are intriguing abilities. Early reports from complex ball are very positive on him. 20) RHP Niklas Stephenson\| ETA: Interesting pop-up candidate who found 10 more MPH on his fastball by using a weighted ball during workouts over the winter. Now sits mid-90s with fastball and is dominating at rookie ball (after having an ERA over 8 there a year ago). Likely promoted to a higher challenge soon. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-01-2014 at 09:30 AM..
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