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Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You, Unfazed by Rising Tab

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=afOlUzd30YOo

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

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Old 05-21-2008, 08:29 AM   #646
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Year-to-date, American consumers have bought 1.4 percent less gasoline than they did last year
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Year-to-date, American consumers have bought 1.4 percent less gasoline than they did last year
OK, lets just assume that Americans continue this trend of using less gas. Lets assume gas drops below $3 a gallon again. How long would that last? Wouldnt Americans just return to old habits once the gas price becomes reasonable again, in turn driving gas prices right back up?
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:32 AM   #648
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Interesting article I just read from CNN, it helped explain it to me a bit better.

Who's to blame for $4 gas?


http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/20/news...ion=2008052010

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It's hard to imagine now, but in 1999 gasoline sold for 90 cents a gallon. How'd we get from there to $4 a gallon?
There is no short answer - many things happened, and together they formed a chain of events from cheap gas to $100 tankfuls.

2004: Demand pressure
One of the most common reasons cited for the price jump is supply and demand - we are using more oil, which accounts for 70% of the price of gas, and finding less of it.
Why we are finding less oil and using more of it is partly a result of the low prices during the 1990s. Those low prices - partly caused by low gas taxes in the U.S. compared to other developed nations - both encouraged rapid consumption domestically (think SUVs) and underinvestment in new production by the world's oil companies.
By the time 2004 rolled around - and developing economies around the globe roared to life - the world was left in a pinch.
"Our demand has skyrocketed, but our ability to supply that demand has stagnated," said Stephen Schork, publisher of the industry newsletter The Schork Report. Gasoline prices topped $2 a gallon for the first time ever in May of 2004, "and we've been off to the races since then," said Schork.
As demand grew and the supply of oil remained relatively flat, the difference between the amount of oil the world could produce and the amount it consumed narrowed. That meant a supply disruption from one place in the world could not be easily covered with spare oil from another part.

2005: The storm
This was illustrated in September 2005, when Hurricane Katrina knocked out a significant chunk of U.S. refining and gasoline prices spiked above $3 a gallon for the first time ever.
"It exposed how little surplus refining capacity we have in the U.S.," said James Crandell, an energy analyst at Lehman Brothers.
A new refinery hasn't been built in the United States in three decades, although capacity at existing refineries has been expanded.

2006: Hot tempers
The lack of spare supply has kept other geopolitical events in the forefront for the last few years. Iran and the spat over its nuclear program dominated the news in early 2006, and combined with Israel's invasion of Lebanon in the summer of that year to cause another spike in gas prices to over $3 a gallon.
Geopolitical events need not be shooting wars to attract attention. Analysts say general resource nationalism since 2004 is partly responsible for high oil prices.
In the past few years, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Russia's Vladimir Putin and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez have all become more bellicose on the world stage - in some cases, seeking a bigger share of the profit from foreign oil firms or threatening to cut off oil supplies if attacked.
Some say the Bush administration's provocation of Iran and Venezuela, coupled with a botched occupation of oil-exporting Iraq, has contributed to the geopolitical tension. But defenders say that, in the long run, the administration's actions will eventually lead to a more democratic - and thus stable - global supply.

2007: Tight supplies
New supplies of oil from non-OPEC countries were supposed to come online in 2007 and ease some of these supply bottlenecks. But problems in Kazakhstan and Russia - as well as sweeping drilling bans in the United States - mean global consumption is growing twice as fast as non-OPEC production.
Analysts say OPEC, which hold two-thirds of the world's oil reserves but sees a global economy humming along despite $130 oil, has little incentive to increase production.

2008: Speculators swarm

Strong demand, tight supplies and a volatile marketplace have attracted the interest of investors - the last main contributor to high prices.
"The speculator has seized upon this opportunity," said Schork. "They have recognized there is something fundamentally flawed in this market."
Since 2003, the number of oil contracts exchanged on the NYMEX has more than doubled, said Schork.
Money flowing into oil - and commodities in general - has been especially sharp over the last 6 months as investors look for good returns amid falling stock prices and an inflation hedge against a falling dollar.
That's helped push oil prices to nearly $130 a barrel and gasoline to an average of nearly $3.80 a gallon - smashing previous records even when adjusting for inflation.
Why do you think gas prices are so high? Post a comment.
Whether this investor influx into the oil market is justified is matter of debate. Some see high oil prices as necessary to boost supply and limit demand.
"You can't just point the finger at speculators," Michael Haigh, head of U.S. commodities research at the investment bank Société Générale, recently told CNNMoney.com "Fundamentally, the markets are where they are supposed to be."
Others are less certain.
"The fundamental picture to us doesn't justify the price," said Lehman's Crandell. "It's kind of suggestive of a bubble."

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OK, lets just assume that Americans continue this trend of using less gas. Lets assume gas drops below $3 a gallon again. How long would that last? Wouldnt Americans just return to old habits once the gas price becomes reasonable again, in turn driving gas prices right back up?
Most likely.
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Neat story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayof...tro/index.html

(CNN) -- It's a 12-year-old oft-mocked clunker of an automobile.
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Brenton Netz has made a side business out of fixing up Geo Metros and selling them locally and on eBay.

But Marci Solomon is hoping she'll be the one laughing -- all the way to the bank -- when her Geo Metro saves her from skyrocketing gas prices.

Solomon, like many others, was taking a huge hit when it came to gas prices. With her 100-mile commute to and from work each day, she saw no end in sight. Then she rediscovered the Geo Metro.

"I used to be a car snob, and I used to be too vain to drive anything that doesn't shine," said Solomon, an electrician. "But now it's about, do I want to eat, or do I want to make it to work? I want to do both."

The Metro has been making a huge comeback, especially on eBay, where Solomon bought the car, because of its extremely high gas mileage.

The 1996 Metro's average of 40 miles per gallon nears that of the hybrid 2008 Toyota Prius -- priced at $21,000 for the cheapest model -- and bests most current cars by a long shot, according to government ratings. Older models of the Geo Metro, specifically cars from 1991 and the XFi edition, have the same average as the hybrid. See how the Geo Metro stacks up with the Toyota Prius »

Solomon toyed with the idea of purchasing a Prius but decided that for a price of $7,300, the Metro was the more economical option.

For the most part, Solomon plans on using the car for commuting from her home in Rochester, Washington, to her job. The vehicle she has now, a Honda Element, was getting 28 mpg, and she was filling up twice a week, costing her nearly $100. Stations were charging $3.97 a gallon in her area Tuesday, she said. iReport: Tell us how high gas prices are affecting you

The Metro is an investment in the future, Solomon said, even if she did pay more than five times the Blue Book value of the car.

"It was all about saving money," she said. "I don't think gas is ever going to go down, and these are going to be the types of solutions we have to turn to. I wanted to beat the rush."

The rush may have begun.

The 1996 2-door 3-cylinder Metro Solomon now owns opened on eBay May 7 with a bid of $200. A week later, Solomon won the car auction with a bid of $7,300. In 1995, a new Metro hatchback sold for about $9,000, according to Auto Mall USA.

In May alone, 43 Metros of various years and models were sold on eBay, ranging in price from $221.50 to Solomon's bid of $7,300. The cars have been hot items, drawing upwards of 49 bids on certain vehicles, with many of the auctions coming down to last-second bidding wars. On Tuesday morning, 34 Metros were still up for grabs.

Since her eBay purchase, Solomon has acquired another Metro, which she is considering flipping on eBay for profit. She has her eye on a third at a local car lot.

"To be honest, I'm thinking of scarfing up any Geo Metro I can find," she said.

Solomon isn't alone in trying to profit off of a gas-saving craze. Brenton Netz has been selling fixed-up Metros and Ford Festivas for two years now.

After buying a Metro on Craigslist in Montana and driving it back to his home in St. Cloud, Minnesota, Netz realized how rarely he was making trips to the pump.

"I thought the gas gauge was broken," Netz said. "I couldn't believe the gas mileage I was getting."

He realized that he had stumbled upon a possible side business and began buying one-way tickets to states in the West to purchase as many of the cars as he could. Netz said he has sold about a dozen cars and has eight more sitting in his backyard.

His cars go up for sale only one at a time because he knows that putting up a couple at a time would drive down the value and cut into his profit.

Netz says consumers don't seem to mind paying more than the retail value, and if they do, they generally stop feeling that way after they pick up the cars. He's gotten phone calls and e-mails from customers saying how thrilled they are with the mileage.

It seems, Netz said, people are beginning to realize that their car choices need to be focused more on practicality than status and appearance.

"Gas prices are definitely driving increased popularity in the Metro, which at times wasn't cool," he said. "Now the coolness factor is stemming from the fact that you're getting 50 miles per gallon and never having to fill up."
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Paying 7300.00 for a 12 year old Geo Metro is insane...wait till it breaks...
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...you would think GM would just re-release the Metro if it's so popular...the could sell it new for like 12K and make a ton...
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...you would think GM would just re-release the Metro if it's so popular...the could sell it new for like 12K and make a ton...
I would think these are going to sell pretty well:

http://www.smartusa.com/
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So if last year the price per barrel was around $60 or so and the gas prices were around $2.50, and today the price per barrel has more than doubled and the oil prices have gone up over a $1.30 then think about how much gas prices have been marked up...kind of puts into perspective how much money they are making.
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Heh. I see the congresscritters are once again asking oil company executives the same questions they've answered dozens of times before.
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Get a 4 cylinder car and put money into the oil company stock(s), you might as well make some money in this as well.
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I would think these are going to sell pretty well:

http://www.smartusa.com/
The MPG on those is pretty disappointing. I can't remember the exact number on the window but I do remember thinking that my Camry was comparable.

They had one sitting outside of Nebraska Furniture Mart.
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Heh. I see the congresscritters are once again asking oil company executives the same questions they've answered dozens of times before.

J. Stephen Simon, executive vice president of Exxon Mobil Corp., said profits have been huge "in absolute terms" but must be viewed in the context of the massive scale of the industry." He also said high earnings are needed "in the current up cycle" to pay for investments in the long term when profits will be down


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