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Old 03-06-2013, 07:10 PM  
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Chiefs are releasing RT Eric Winston

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Chiefs are releasing RT Eric Winston, per league source.



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@nfldraftscout there are some serious injury concerns


Looks like he's hurt

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Old 03-07-2013, 08:58 PM   #1126
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I understood what you meant by traditional. Whats not traditional is the pistol offense.

The Steelers and Giants still run a pocket passer, run the ball when you can on offense even if they throw down field more than the "old" days. They also rely on trying to kill the QB.

The Packers will continue to work on their defense and run game as solely relying on Rodgers will not consistently win.

NE has lost SB's because they can't protect Brady or play defense.

What does that sound like?
The Steelers, Giants, and Packers were all among the worst teams in the league, if not the absolute worst, at running the ball when they won their most recent SBs. They all run a huge percentage of their O out of shotgun, and apply a much more aggressive, vertical downfield passing game.

Look at where all of the innovation is coming from in football. It's not the NFL, it's college and high school.

Although the players in the NFL are the best, the minds lag behind.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:08 PM   #1127
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The Steelers, Giants, and Packers were all among the worst teams in the league, if not the absolute worst, at running the ball when they won their most recent SBs. They all run a huge percentage of their O out of shotgun, and apply a much more aggressive, vertical downfield passing game.

Look at where all of the innovation is coming from in football. It's not the NFL, it's college and high school.

Although the players in the NFL are the best, the minds lag behind.
Vertical passing has existed since the 70's Steelers, Chargers, and Raiders.

In the end you still reach an equilibrium which involves a balanced team.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:10 PM   #1128
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In the end you still reach an equilibrium which involves a balanced team.
If you want to watch the playoffs from the family room in 2014
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:11 PM   #1129
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Vertical passing has existed since the 70's Steelers, Chargers, and Raiders.

In the end you still reach an equilibrium which involves a balanced team.
Not to the extent that it does now, which is why you have so many 5,000 yard passers and passing records falling like HR records in the 90s.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:59 PM   #1130
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Vertical passing has existed since the 70's Steelers, Chargers, and Raiders.

In the end you still reach an equilibrium which involves a balanced team.
You are THE most stubborn, close-minded adult in this forum. Either that or your just plain ****ing stupid.

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Old 03-07-2013, 10:10 PM   #1131
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Probably because A) They didn't play college or pro ball B)Didn't have a connection C) Decided to go into a career path that paid more immediately or D) Didn't want to work as a scout, quality control coach, position coach, etc.

There are several people on this website that could definitely work as scouts (most scouts are pretty incompetent and products of both personal/professional nepotism).

The world is filled with billions of talented people that could have done incredible or more worthy things if they'd chosen a different path or things had fallen a certain way.
That would be true if scouts were making the picks. The top personnel guys make the big league picks. The scouts job is to find nuances in those big league picks which head personnel guys fact check, and to find diamonds in the rough players head personnel guys don't have time to scout.

Just because you can be a scout doesn't mean you are qualified to make good decisions with scouting information.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:44 PM   #1132
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That would be true if scouts were making the picks. The top personnel guys make the big league picks. The scouts job is to find nuances in those big league picks which head personnel guys fact check, and to find diamonds in the rough players head personnel guys don't have time to scout.

Just because you can be a scout doesn't mean you are qualified to make good decisions with scouting information.
True. Personally, I feel there are several people who could advance beyond local/regional scouting (not that regional scouts aren't valuable or have high input) and elevate themselves into positions that would make their opinions more meaningful.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:36 AM   #1133
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Bucs fans seem to want Eric Winston, even though we don't run a ZBS. They also seem to think that Winston was right in calling out an entire fanbase... good god they are stupid.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:24 AM   #1134
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Not to the extent that it does now, which is why you have so many 5,000 yard passers and passing records falling like HR records in the 90s.
I agree the game is geared toward passing, we all know this.

I just don't think believing that you need a run game to complement your passing game to win consistently is far off base.

I never said we didn't need a passing game, a good passing game, I just believe a decent running game and decent defense is still more important than gets credit these days.

Being Chiefs fans I imagine the focus is almost solely on fixing the QB issue at this point though and anything else becomes 5th tier.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:33 AM   #1135
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I've been thinking about it, and I don't think there's any freaking reason why releasing Winston means we're even more certain to draft Joeckel.

WE HAVE TWO YOUNG TACKLES ON THIS ROSTER ALREADY.

WE TOOK THEM AT 2 AND 3 LAST YEAR.

2 AND 3.

That said, in the long run, those were probably smart picks by Pioli, trying to shore up his OL in the event that Albert created the potential for some turnover in 2013. Seems prescient now; we lost Winston and we could still potentially be fine because of Stephenson.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:36 AM   #1136
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On the field, Winston’s level of play was probably about what the Chiefs expected. But he became a polarizing figure in Kansas City when, after an early-season game against Baltimore, he was critical of some Chiefs fans for what he said was cheering after an injury to quarterback Matt Cassel.

Had Winston played more than one season, he may have eventually been able to win over Chiefs fans. But, as it stands, that will be his legacy in Kansas City.

“That’s the way it goes sometimes,” he said. “I look back and still feel I did the right thing. A lot of people I respect not only in the league but in life have come up to me and said the same thing. I know I’m not alone in that assessment. I actually don’t think I’m in the minority in that assessment.

“I never wanted to imply it was every single person in the stadium, or every Chiefs fan. I said what I said. I still mean it to this day. I still feel that way and I’ll probably always continue to feel this way.”
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:38 AM   #1137
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:40 AM   #1138
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:42 AM   #1139
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I agree the game is geared toward passing, we all know this.

I just don't think believing that you need a run game to complement your passing game to win consistently is far off base.

I never said we didn't need a passing game, a good passing game, I just believe a decent running game and decent defense is still more important than gets credit these days.

Being Chiefs fans I imagine the focus is almost solely on fixing the QB issue at this point though and anything else becomes 5th tier.


It has nothing to do with being a Chiefs fan and everything to do with paying attention to the rest of the NFL.

Of course a running game and defense are important - gotta re-live the 90's!
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:44 AM   #1140
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