I'm now more sure than ever that Geno's going #1 overall.

[Direckshun]

From the free agency megathread:

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 28s

The Raiders are signing QB Seneca Wallace after working him out, Tyler Thigpen and perhaps others

The Raiders are signing up so many QBs that it is now virtually impossible they would take Geno Smith, even if he was available at #3 overall.

And they'd be theoretically passing on him for Seneca Wallace, Terrell (sp?) Pryor and maybe even Tyler ****ing Thigpen.

What's far more likely, is what some of us already suspect: they're not passing on him at all.

Like all of the QB-specific movement that immediately pre-dated the Geno visit in KC, I think the worst kept secret behind the closed doors of GM offices across the league is that Geno Smith is officially off the board at #1 overall.

I personally think it is down to the Eagles and the Jaguars. The Eagles want Geno as a developmental guy behind Vick, and the Jags, who are largely believed to like Geno, don't want to get jumped, a la Browns with Trent Richardson last year.

And then there's the least likely option, but one I think is still somehow alive: that the Chiefs actually think Geno fits what they're trying to do, and can be special, and that they will take Geno #1 overall if the compensation they are offered for trading down isn't sexy enough.

I may have my head up my ass, as I so often do. But I think the reasonable assumption to make from here on out that Geno Smith is known league-wide to be the first overall pick. The league almost certainly knows who the players for that pick are. And I'm willing to bet the league almost certainly assumes the Chiefs are not in the running for Geno. There has been absolutely no smoke for that particular fire to be real.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

That was already addressed. Go back and try again

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You're so ignorant sometimes.

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Even if, by chance, some team does have Geno on their board in the 2nd round, that's not "career backup" territory. He'd need to be in the Ricky Stanzi round (5) or lower for that.

And if this is a strong draft for tackles, that's a great reason to move out of 1 if you can, because you can find tackles later in the draft who aren't all that much of a drop off from the ones projected in the top 10. Although I wouldn't call it a 'strong' tackle class. I'd call it a 'deep' tackle class. It's, much like the draft as a whole, a class that doesn't really have any true blue chippers. Joeckel's a mid-late first in a stronger class. Fisher's probably still ahead of him, but borderline top 10-15. This is not a special tackle group in any sense.

(Which doesn't help our efforts to trade down)

If Stanzi were in this draft, he'd be a first round selection, that's how bad this draft is for QB's, they are all career backup caliber, but a few will likely become starters for a few years at some point, while teams wait on the next crop of QB's. Just like how Blaine Gabbert's situation sits. The guy blows donkey dick, yet he's a starter.

Originally Posted by O.city

So Dorsey is a liar I guess?

Believe it or not, teams, coaches, talent evaluators, etc. can change their minds. They can, you know, setup meetings with players (like Geno) after they announce they've narrowed it down.

Its all a rouse to drive trade pricing and trade requests anyhow.

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20

What is Geno not as good in compared to Garcia or Kolb? I never mentioned Mcnabb.

Truthfully, we won't know until he plays. But you can't sit here and say Geno NOW, is as good as Garcia ever was, or is better than Kolb (now). As for McNabb, you can't bring up Eagles QB's that Reid has coached, and NOT talk about McNabb. That's just dumb.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Superbowl QB's since 2003:

Tom Brady
Jake Delhomme
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Peyton Manning
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Colin Kaepernick

Superbowl QB's since 2003 that were drafted in the first round:

Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
A case could be made for Drew Brees even being the first pick in the second round.

7/13 were first round picks, over half, and if you count Drew Brees you get 8/13. You can say what you want about if you think Geno isn't the guy we should take, but taking one of the best QB's in a draft has worked the majority of the time the last 10 years. Also Tom Brady has played in 4 of those Superbowls where he beat Peyton and Rivers many a times so you could've almost added Rivers to that list of first rounders as well.

You don't get to count Brees, and 7 out of 13 is 1 away from LESS than half.

So while you might to try qualify your argument's verbage to make it sound like that is a lot, in a statistical sense, its almost as likely that you'll win a super bowl with a QB not picked in the first round.

Originally Posted by O.city

If the new regime thinks G. Smith is that guy, by all means, they should take him. If they don't, they shouldn't.

He's no Luck, sure. I don't think we will have a chance to pick a Luck for a while/if ever. IMO, Geno isn't as good as some on here bill him to be, nor is he as bad as some bill him to be.

I stand 110% behind what the new Regime does, but I KNOW the knew Regime will NOT be picking Geno Smith.

It simply will not happen, period, end of story.

So I'm trying to help these idiots along who think that Geno will be our pick at the 1.1 understand the impossibility of Geno being selected.

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Read again.

Why?

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Reread your own ****ing post dickbag.

Why?

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Good Lord. Who crushed Exoter with the three pound stupid bat?

Nobody, you kidding me?

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Can I get a reerun count of people who still think the chiefs will take geno?

Well in the hundreds on this forum.

[RealSNR]

"You're the ignorant one" he says

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

"You're the ignorant one" he says

The basic premise of Ignorant, is to Ignore.

Its safe to say that I don't ignore a single fact, I work through them logically until a solution is given. That's how speculation works.

Believe it or not, you don't have to throw shit at a wall to see if it sticks.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

If Stanzi were in this draft, he'd be a first round selection, that's how bad this draft is for QB's, they are all career backup caliber, but a few will likely become starters for a few years at some point, while teams wait on the next crop of QB's. Just like how Blaine Gabbert's situation sits. The guy blows donkey dick, yet he's a starter.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

The basic premise of Ignorant, is to Ignore.

Its safe to say that I don't ignore a single fact, I work through them logically until a solution is given. That's how speculation works.

Believe it or not, you don't have to throw shit at a wall to see if it sticks.

There's no speculation involved at all right now. You're ADDING speculation to something that shouldn't be so ****ing complicated.

JustPassinBy posted something stupid. You liked it. I said it was dumb, you said "Prove it." I did. And then you posted entire novels of bullshit that doesn't matter or disprove my claim.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KC native

I don't want to go to some random website to view an image, learn how to post images here.

PS link is messed up :P

Originally Posted by SNR

There's no speculation involved at all right now. You're ADDING speculation to something that shouldn't be so ****ing complicated.

JustPassinBy posted something stupid. You liked it. I said it was dumb, you said "Prove it." I did. And then you posted entire novels of bullshit that doesn't matter or disprove my claim.

I"m not adding to anything, I'm trying to guide the general cluster **** into a logical conclusion by taking away speculations.

As far as your analysis of JustPassinBy, you are dead ****ing wrong, and you didn't prove anything.

He made a comment that hit the nail directly on the head, which is you don't take a QB #1 overall JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT IN FOREVER. His retort, is that we haven't thrown away and forfeited every pick we have too.

The premise being, in this league you don't devalue picks and throw them away. You don't make decisions in this league based on voodoo rituals and superstitions, you make your selections or trades based upon valued evaluations upon needs and wants with any given player.

I'm sorry that you're too stupid to realize that in this league, you're not supposed to throw away picks "just because" and you don't draft a QB #1 overall because you've got the pick to do it, you make that selection because he's actually worth it.

In this draft, where there's equal talent available int he 2nd round, possibly even the 3rd, you don't draft Geno Smith overall while you have Alex Smith on your roster, costing you two second round picks.

That's logic.

I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to see the big picture.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

He made a comment that hit the nail directly on the head, which is you don't take a QB #1 overall JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT IN FOREVER. His retort, is that we haven't thrown away and forfeited every pick we have too.

Extraneous bullshit extraneous bullshit

That's not what he was saying at all.

When you call someone out on reading comprehension, it's always helpful to double-check to make sure you're not the ****ing moron.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's not what he was saying at all.

When you call someone out on reading comprehension, it's always helpful to double-check to make sure you're not the ****ing moron.

And now I know it is true, you're a moron.


What exactly did you THINK he was saying when he made that comment about us not throwing away all of our picks?

And please don't' try to foolishly compare it again to "If your friend told you to jump off a bridge, would you?", because the comprehension here is positing an antithesis to your statement.

Whereas your retort of it being akin to jumping off a bridge is not an antithesis, and does NOT match up to the comment he made in parallel to yours.

Stupid shit.

[O.city]

I guess we need Jasonsauto to put Exoter in his place again.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by O.city

I guess we need Jasonsauto to put Exoter in his place again.

Sauto has never in his life put me in my place lol.


You're talking about the same guy who called me an, and I quote, "An overeducated knowitall with your diplomas and certs" like it was a bad thing.

Or the same guy who cried like a baby when I said I wanted to meet him so I could slap the **** out of him because he got mad in a thread and started talking shit about where I live.

Sauto's a piece of dirt.

[O.city]

Men slapping men. That would be fun.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

The illogical statement was, "Why is it so important to draft a QB just because it hasn't been done in 30 years? The team also hasn't vacated all of its draft picks in 30 years, maybe it should try doing that."

That's not what I said. And, since you linked to it without actually quoting it after this, let's get the actual quote:

Not only did I not say "maybe you should try doing that", I noted that you would, of course, not recommend such an action be taken. In other words, you took the entire point of my post and tried to twist it into exactly the opposite of what I was saying.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That's not what I said. And, since you linked to it without actually quoting it after this, let's get the actual quote:



Not only did I not say "maybe you should try doing that", I noted that you would, of course, not recommend such an action be taken. In other words, you took the entire point of my post and tried to twist it into exactly the opposite of what I was saying.

Just quoting this to point out that SNR was wrong, after he called me out on Reading Comprehension.

I want to buy you a beer!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That's not what I said. And, since you linked to it without actually quoting it after this, let's get the actual quote:



Not only did I not say "maybe you should try doing that", I noted that you would, of course, not recommend such an action be taken. In other words, you took the entire point of my post and tried to twist it into exactly the opposite of what I was saying.

You ****ing suck.

A mother never suggests that her child should jump off a bridge if all the friends do it.

I know you weren't advocating that we vacate all of our draft selections.

For ****'s sake.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

You ****ing suck.

A mother never suggests that her child should jump off a bridge if all the friends do it.

Do you have kids?