Sporting News on the Chiefs and the AFC West - Page 4

06-24-2001, 05:36 PM

Quote from the Sporting News:

"It may be early, but here is my projected order of finish for the AFC West this season:

1. Raiders (13-3)
2. Broncos (10-6)
3. Chargers (9-7)
4. Seahawks (8-8)
5. Chiefs (4-12)

Disagree with Vinnie? Don't worry -- you're not alone. Submit your own AFC West predictions for 2001 in Voice of the Fan."

hawaiianboy · 06-28-2001, 01:40 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCPHILLY [/i][B]
As others have stated, it doesn't take a BALT D to shut you down as the BOLTS and DONKS showed last year. The key to our success will hinge on how well our DB's are able to man cover and that could be a tall order this year... We shall see.[/B][QUOTE]
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The Bolts give us fits every year.... I credit Joe Pascale (who I feel is the 2nd best D Coordinator behind Dom Capers) for coming up with innovative schemes every game... plus that **** Richard Harvey, that we cut and they signed admitted to knowing the plays.....

SD and B'More both exposed what I feel is Grudens one glaring weakness... he's stubborn to a fault... he won't go away from the power game if it isn't working..

~I disagree on the Donx... We moved the ball and scored 24 points a game on them .... 4 turnovers in each game killed us.

~IMO... the key to your team vs.us is your Dline... Wheatley looks like Jim Brown when he plays you... Your DT's weren't effective and Patton was out of position alot... I am, however looking forward to seeing Crockett on your side of the ball.... Hasty was a major pain in the Raiders *** for years... The sad thing is we all set to sign him before you did and some bright bulb decided he wasn't fast enough to play in our defense....
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hawaiianboy · 06-28-2001, 02:07 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCPHILLY [/i]
[B]

The JETS did show what it takes to beat that D... A strong arm. Something RICH doesn't have. I don't see WILLIAMS as a difference maker and my spies tell me PORTER has shown improvement, but not enough to be a true threat yet. I do think GARNER could make a difference for you, It will be interesting to see how much of a "team" player mentality WHEATLEY displays with his presence... Could be a problem.[/B][/QUOTE]
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Actually I disagree on this one... The Jets used Ray-Ray's aggression against them.... They completed 18 passes,I believe, to their RB's.... They dragged the middle with Cherbert and made Ray-Ray chase Richie Anderson (your basic pick play).... The Jets were tearing them up till the Raisins started blitzing... and Testaverde being the reerun he is went into the panic mode and started forcing the ball deep... Strong arm, weak mind...

True,Gannon does have a candy arm but the key to stopping our offense is stopping the run... The threat of the run sets Gannon up... The teams that slowed us down....SD, B'More, Pittsburgh... all pinched the middle to stop the run...
This led us to sign a guard who is an excellent run blocker (Middleton) and a TE who weighs in at 270.... We need to control the line of scrimmage to be successful...

As for Wheatley and Garner... I'm more worried about Garner not being up to sharing the load than Wheatley.... Tyrone is a team guy all the way....

This is the first offseason that I like all of the moves we made... I will admit that I'd rather not be playing in Arrowhead in game 1... hopefully VD will uphold that fine KC tradition that Gun started in using the preseason to evaluate players rather than prepare for game 1.....

hawaiianboy · 06-28-2001, 02:30 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC-CHIEFS-FAN-TX [/i]
[B]
HB,
True, it's hard to march B-more's defense, but not Denver's. Seems like the Donx have Gannon's/Oakland's number and have for quite sometime now. Do you know where Greg Robinson went? :p [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah crap.... Robinson went to the place where exRaider coaches go to die....

I think Robinson is a very good DC... Usually when someone gets hired... they give you the common coach speak "We're going to be an aggressive attacking defense".... Unfortunatly, only Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Robinson and a few others have the sack to do it as a scheme.... That type of defense leaves tweety bird hanging outside the zipper if you miss tackles... Robinson lives and dies with an aggressive defense... The Donx just didn't have the talent to play his style of defense the last few years...

I just have to wonder how your converted DE's will do at DT and if Patton, Bush, Maz are strong enough at the point of attack... Missed tackles in his scheme lead to big rushing yards allowed....leads to Wheatley doing his thing again....

hawaiianboy · 06-28-2001, 02:48 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jl80 [/i]
[B]The Flyin' Hawaiian returns...

What lava rock you been hiding under?

I can't wait to get my Jungle Book hat back after week 1 [/B][/QUOTE]

....let me explain what pinhead is talking about.....

We wagered a hat on the KC- Raider game last year.... Since, of course I won, Nappy sends a lid from his alma mater Ball St. University..... Anyway, there was no space between Ball and U... so it looked like:

[COLOR=red] [SIZE=8]BALLU[/SIZE][/COLOR]

and people in my gym not familar with that sad University started calling me Ballu, like the Jungle Book charecter....

I can't wait to see what I get this year.

06-28-2001, 07:38 AM

HB,

Nice to see you around.

I agree with your take on Garner. It's him that will probably develop the attitude problem about lack of carries, not Wheatley.

I think our defense will do much better in Robinson's scheme. Sure, missed tackles will always kill ya, but these guys looked despondent last year, dropping back into pass coverage...

**morphius** · 06-28-2001, 08:07 AM

HB - That was some interesting stuff, it is always fun when you take off the homer hat. Of course I'm going to remember the statement about Gannon and his Candy Arm for a LONG time. I would like to add that I don't know if it is as much his arm as it is his confidence in doing it, he always seems to hesitate if the pass is any longer then 1-8 yard range, almost a double pump look to it.

I think having a different DC that does not make our LB's drop back in some sort of weak, out of position, zone will help show that our LB's are actually a pretty good group. I think if our DL stays healthy we should be able to contain your RB's, but we will have to wait and see about that.

Ballu tee-hee!

RaiderCorporate · 06-28-2001, 04:05 PM

Morphius:

The game videos I have in mind are during Vermeil’s stint in St. Louis. It seems to make sense Vermeil will employ the same offense. Do you have information suggesting otherwise?

06-28-2001, 04:07 PM

CorporateRaider,

Actually, we do.

Everything that Al Saunders and Vermeil have said lately is that this offense will feature the TE much more and more closely resemble the original Coryell model than the Rams model. Therefore, real game film doesn't exactly exist...

**morphius** · 06-28-2001, 04:13 PM

RC - Yes in fact I do, we don't have Faulk, so we can't rely as much on our RB's. They have talk about using a FB a lot more here because TRich has impressed them so much. Throw in the fact that we have an All Pro Gonzo, and they didn't have a TE worth using most of the time. Vermeils first trip to the SB was a smash mouth team, because that is the players he had, his next trip was a speed team, because that is the players he had. The players are different here then in his last two coaching positions, so I would expect it to be somewhat different.

Sound reasonable?

06-24-2001, 05:36 PM
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06-28-2001, 01:40 AM	#46
hawaiianboy *************** Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCPHILLY [/i][B] As others have stated, it doesn't take a BALT D to shut you down as the BOLTS and DONKS showed last year. The key to our success will hinge on how well our DB's are able to man cover and that could be a tall order this year... We shall see.[/B][QUOTE] *********** The Bolts give us fits every year.... I credit Joe Pascale (who I feel is the 2nd best D Coordinator behind Dom Capers) for coming up with innovative schemes every game... plus that Richard Harvey, that we cut and they signed admitted to knowing the plays..... SD and B'More both exposed what I feel is Grudens one glaring weakness... he's stubborn to a fault... he won't go away from the power game if it isn't working.. ~I disagree on the Donx... We moved the ball and scored 24 points a game on them .... 4 turnovers in each game killed us. ~IMO... the key to your team vs.us is your Dline... Wheatley looks like Jim Brown when he plays you... Your DT's weren't effective and Patton was out of position alot... I am, however looking forward to seeing Crockett on your side of the ball.... Hasty was a major pain in the Raiders * for years... The sad thing is we all set to sign him before you did and some bright bulb decided he wasn't fast enough to play in our defense.... *************
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06-28-2001, 02:07 AM	#47
hawaiianboy *************** Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCPHILLY [/i] [B] The JETS did show what it takes to beat that D... A strong arm. Something RICH doesn't have. I don't see WILLIAMS as a difference maker and my spies tell me PORTER has shown improvement, but not enough to be a true threat yet. I do think GARNER could make a difference for you, It will be interesting to see how much of a "team" player mentality WHEATLEY displays with his presence... Could be a problem.[/B][/QUOTE] ********** Actually I disagree on this one... The Jets used Ray-Ray's aggression against them.... They completed 18 passes,I believe, to their RB's.... They dragged the middle with Cherbert and made Ray-Ray chase Richie Anderson (your basic pick play).... The Jets were tearing them up till the Raisins started blitzing... and Testaverde being the reerun he is went into the panic mode and started forcing the ball deep... Strong arm, weak mind... True,Gannon does have a candy arm but the key to stopping our offense is stopping the run... The threat of the run sets Gannon up... The teams that slowed us down....SD, B'More, Pittsburgh... all pinched the middle to stop the run... This led us to sign a guard who is an excellent run blocker (Middleton) and a TE who weighs in at 270.... We need to control the line of scrimmage to be successful... As for Wheatley and Garner... I'm more worried about Garner not being up to sharing the load than Wheatley.... Tyrone is a team guy all the way.... This is the first offseason that I like all of the moves we made... I will admit that I'd rather not be playing in Arrowhead in game 1... hopefully VD will uphold that fine KC tradition that Gun started in using the preseason to evaluate players rather than prepare for game 1.....
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06-28-2001, 02:30 AM	#48
hawaiianboy *************** Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC-CHIEFS-FAN-TX [/i] [B] HB, True, it's hard to march B-more's defense, but not Denver's. Seems like the Donx have Gannon's/Oakland's number and have for quite sometime now. Do you know where Greg Robinson went? :p [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah crap.... Robinson went to the place where exRaider coaches go to die.... I think Robinson is a very good DC... Usually when someone gets hired... they give you the common coach speak "We're going to be an aggressive attacking defense".... Unfortunatly, only Buddy Ryan, Dom Capers, Robinson and a few others have the sack to do it as a scheme.... That type of defense leaves tweety bird hanging outside the zipper if you miss tackles... Robinson lives and dies with an aggressive defense... The Donx just didn't have the talent to play his style of defense the last few years... I just have to wonder how your converted DE's will do at DT and if Patton, Bush, Maz are strong enough at the point of attack... Missed tackles in his scheme lead to big rushing yards allowed....leads to Wheatley doing his thing again....
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06-28-2001, 02:48 AM	#49
hawaiianboy *************** Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Since I'm talking to myself tonight... [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jl80 [/i] [B]The Flyin' Hawaiian returns... What lava rock you been hiding under? I can't wait to get my Jungle Book hat back after week 1 [/B][/QUOTE] ....let me explain what pinhead is talking about..... We wagered a hat on the KC- Raider game last year.... Since, of course I won, Nappy sends a lid from his alma mater Ball St. University..... Anyway, there was no space between Ball and U... so it looked like: [COLOR=red] [SIZE=8]BALLU[/SIZE][/COLOR] and people in my gym not familar with that sad University started calling me Ballu, like the Jungle Book charecter.... I can't wait to see what I get this year.
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06-28-2001, 07:38 AM	#50
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	HB, Nice to see you around. I agree with your take on Garner. It's him that will probably develop the attitude problem about lack of carries, not Wheatley. I think our defense will do much better in Robinson's scheme. Sure, missed tackles will always kill ya, but these guys looked despondent last year, dropping back into pass coverage...
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06-28-2001, 08:07 AM	#51
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6965027	HB - That was some interesting stuff, it is always fun when you take off the homer hat. Of course I'm going to remember the statement about Gannon and his Candy Arm for a LONG time. I would like to add that I don't know if it is as much his arm as it is his confidence in doing it, he always seems to hesitate if the pass is any longer then 1-8 yard range, almost a double pump look to it. I think having a different DC that does not make our LB's drop back in some sort of weak, out of position, zone will help show that our LB's are actually a pretty good group. I think if our DL stays healthy we should be able to contain your RB's, but we will have to wait and see about that. Ballu tee-hee!
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06-28-2001, 04:05 PM	#52
RaiderCorporate RAIDERS - silver & black 4ever Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Morphius: The game videos I have in mind are during Vermeil’s stint in St. Louis. It seems to make sense Vermeil will employ the same offense. Do you have information suggesting otherwise?
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06-28-2001, 04:07 PM	#53
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	CorporateRaider, Actually, we do. Everything that Al Saunders and Vermeil have said lately is that this offense will feature the TE much more and more closely resemble the original Coryell model than the Rams model. Therefore, real game film doesn't exactly exist...
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06-28-2001, 04:13 PM	#54
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6965027	RC - Yes in fact I do, we don't have Faulk, so we can't rely as much on our RB's. They have talk about using a FB a lot more here because TRich has impressed them so much. Throw in the fact that we have an All Pro Gonzo, and they didn't have a TE worth using most of the time. Vermeils first trip to the SB was a smash mouth team, because that is the players he had, his next trip was a speed team, because that is the players he had. The players are different here then in his last two coaching positions, so I would expect it to be somewhat different. Sound reasonable?
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