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Old 04-20-2018, 10:30 AM  
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Federal Bill To Decriminalize Marijuana

On 4/20, Chuck Schumer To Introduce Bill To Decriminalize Marijuana

Politics isn't always red or blue. Lately, it has been green.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., plans to introduce legislation on Friday to decriminalize marijuana on the federal level, adding a high-profile advocate in the effort to decriminalize, legalize and normalize marijuana use in America.

Schumer's legislation would remove marijuana from the list of scheduled substances under a 1970 law that classifies marijuana as dangerous as heroin for legal and regulatory purposes. It would establish funding for women- and minority-owned marijuana businesses, require more research on the drug's public health impact, and maintain federal authority to regulate commercial advertising, similar to existing regulations for tobacco and alcohol.

"If smoking marijuana doesn't hurt anybody else, why shouldn't we allow people to do it and not make it criminal?" Schumer told Vice News Tonight on HBO in a Thursday interview previewing his bill. To drive home that point, Schumer also agreed to sign a bong. ()

The move is coming on 4/20, the unofficial holiday celebrating marijuana use and culture.

Schumer's support is the latest indicator of the green wave affecting American politics, with growing support across the political spectrum to change the way the federal government sees marijuana.

Former House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, made headlines last week after he announced he was joining the board of a marijuana company and would now help advocate for legalization policies, swiftly reversing a lifetime of opposition to the drug.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., took a baby step in that direction last week by introducing legislation to permanently decriminalize hemp, a nonpsychoactive byproduct of cannabis, that has been a boom for Kentucky farmers in recent years.

The reversals are fueled by a growing number of states that are successfully experimenting with changing marijuana laws and enjoying the revenue they are bringing in to help their cash-strapped states. Colorado voted to legalize the drug for recreational use in 2012, and there is essentially no lingering political dispute anymore about its merits from either party there.

Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., waged a battle against the Trump administration this year after Attorney General Jeff Sessions rescinded an Obama-era memorandum that advised federal law enforcement to deprioritize marijuana for prosecution. Gardner held up Trump's nominees for the Justice Department until he received a personal assurance from the president that his administration would not crack down on states that have legalized marijuana.

Gardner is also drafting bipartisan legislation that would make it clear that states have the right to determine their own marijuana laws without federal interference.

Across the aisle, liberal lawmakers are likewise flocking to co-sponsor bills to roll back marijuana restrictions. On Thursday, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, became a co-sponsor of New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker's bill to legalize marijuana and let people convicted in the past of marijuana possession get their criminal records expunged. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., is already a co-sponsor.

The three are all possible 2020 presidential contenders another indicator of which way politicians see the country moving when it comes to marijuana policy.

Thirty states and the District of Columbia have already passed laws legalizing marijuana in some form, such as for medical use. Nine of those states and D.C. have gone a step further to legalize the drug for purely recreational purposes.

Marijuana is also making health care advances this week. The Associated Press reported that a group of U.S. health experts on Thursday endorsed the use of a medicine made from the marijuana plant to treat seizures in children. If the Food and Drug Administration follows the group's recommendation, it would become the first drug derived from the cannabis plant to win federal approval in the country.
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Old 04-24-2018, 05:42 PM   #151
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Far too early to tell. Let's let legal weed br around for 20-30 years and then we'll know for sure. As it is - in states where it is still illegal most "smokers" are part-timers (2-3 times per week).

In places like, say, Denver - smokers are lighting up 7 days a week, perhaps 2 3 times a day.

Let's check the long term consequences in the next decade. If nothing shows up, so be it. I am more than certain that weed is "probably" not as destructive as alcohol. But that, in and of itself, brings up another interesting conversation.

Since Prohibition, some 4.7 million have died in America alone from Alcohol related death - either self inflicted or by another means - driving while drunk. Looking at it from the perspective of say, tobacco, one can only wonder why the "servants" haven't looked it not abolishing it - I mean, for public safety, Medical expense etc......
Well, a few things to keep in mind. It's hard to overdose on weed and it doesn't amp you up the same way. And we'll have much more driverless or Ubers to keep them off the road. So right now, the biggest issue seems to be personal health, and I certainly wouldn't want to regulate that. If we shouldn't tax soda, we shouldn't tax weed for that reason.

I grew up thinking the same bad stuff about weed. I know lots of people who use it and realized it's not a big deal. Here is the stuff that does scare me. Doctors prescribing painkillers instead of med marijuana (where applicable). First time pot users learning how to find dealers. Synthetic or laced weed from the underground. That easily offsets any negative to legalization. That's not even getting into the benefit of tax revenue, cutting enforcement & prison costs. Which makes this a slam dunk. You may not agree with me on the civil rights angle, but those things alone make this a complete no-brainer.
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Old 04-24-2018, 05:44 PM   #152
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Medical marijuana has been legal since 1996. If 20 years isn't enough for you, I don't see why 30 will be any different. But whatever I'll see you in 2026, I'm quite sure most of us will still be here.
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Old 04-24-2018, 05:59 PM   #153
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Old 04-24-2018, 06:22 PM   #154
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Medical marijuana has been legal since 1996. If 20 years isn't enough for you, I don't see why 30 will be any different. But whatever I'll see you in 2026, I'm quite sure most of us will still be here.

Medical Marijuana is for those in Chronic pain - Cancer and the like. So your "slice" doesn't quite cut it.

So, you'll see me in 2026? Unlikely I'LL be here

But I'm telling you, as a kid, that's all I ever heard, that cigarettes weren't bad. Years later - deadly.

So, you smoke say, 40 joints a day for the next 20 years....then, we'll see. And I promise you (and I know from personal experience) there are those that will hit 40 joints a day.
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Old 04-24-2018, 06:26 PM   #155
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Well, a few things to keep in mind. It's hard to overdose on weed and it doesn't amp you up the same way. And we'll have much more driverless or Ubers to keep them off the road. So right now, the biggest issue seems to be personal health, and I certainly wouldn't want to regulate that. If we shouldn't tax soda, we shouldn't tax weed for that reason.

I grew up thinking the same bad stuff about weed. I know lots of people who use it and realized it's not a big deal. Here is the stuff that does scare me. Doctors prescribing painkillers instead of med marijuana (where applicable). First time pot users learning how to find dealers. Synthetic or laced weed from the underground. That easily offsets any negative to legalization. That's not even getting into the benefit of tax revenue, cutting enforcement & prison costs. Which makes this a slam dunk. You may not agree with me on the civil rights angle, but those things alone make this a complete no-brainer.

I grew up in the 60s. I would venture to say I have done more "bad stuff" than most of you here. I'm not condemning anything. I've been down this road too many times. It's a personal decision. You want to get high? Go for it.

Thank God there are going to be "driverless cars" I distinctly recall (well, sort of) driving down the road after a Jefferson Airplane concert riding on two wheels.....Mescaline is a bitch. Had it not been for joining the Army, I would have probably turned out REALLY bad... So please, don't think me a prude because I'm 71. Been there and done that too many times, thank you.
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Medical Marijuana is for those in Chronic pain - Cancer and the like. So your "slice" doesn't quite cut it.

So, you'll see me in 2026? Unlikely I'LL be here

But I'm telling you, as a kid, that's all I ever heard, that cigarettes weren't bad. Years later - deadly.

So, you smoke say, 40 joints a day for the next 20 years....then, we'll see. And I promise you (and I know from personal experience) there are those that will hit 40 joints a day.
Are you under some delusion that medical and recreational marijuana users are in any way different?
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If you rolled pinners 40 joints would equal at least an ounce. People do not smoke an ounce a day.

There's no need. We aren't smoking your 6% wacky tobacky, hippie.
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Far too early to tell. Let's let legal weed br around for 20-30 years and then we'll know for sure. As it is - in states where it is still illegal most "smokers" are part-timers (2-3 times per week).

In places like, say, Denver - smokers are lighting up 7 days a week, perhaps 2 3 times a day.

Let's check the long term consequences in the next decade. If nothing shows up, so be it. I am more than certain that weed is "probably" not as destructive as alcohol. But that, in and of itself, brings up another interesting conversation.

Since Prohibition, some 4.7 million have died in America alone from Alcohol related death - either self inflicted or by another means - driving while drunk. Looking at it from the perspective of say, tobacco, one can only wonder why the "servants" haven't looked it not abolishing it - I mean, for public safety, Medical expense etc......


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But I'm telling you, as a kid, that's all I ever heard, that cigarettes weren't bad. Years later - deadly.

So, you smoke say, 40 joints a day for the next 20 years....then, we'll see. And I promise you (and I know from personal experience) there are those that will hit 40 joints a day.
Very few people would argue that smoking pot is GOOD for you. The argument is that should be legal - not promoted like vitamin D.

It's much less dangerous than narcotic pain killers, less addictive, and less expensive...
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WTF kind of backward ass thinking is this? It's a law. Don't break the law. Being born black doesn't mean a bag of weed is attached to your arm at birth.

Do excessive speeding laws unfairly target rich white people that can afford fast cars?

Should we change the law? Yeah, sure, because it's a pointless law, not because certain groups of people should be excused from stupidity. But it's a law nonetheless. Breaking that law has penalties. It's easy to avoid breaking that law.
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Whites and blacks break weed laws at the same rate. Blacks are more heavily affected.

What world are you living in where you think rich white people get a greater share of traffic tickets?
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I have always been on the fence about weed, and I'm 71 years old. I have seen the good (very little of that) and I have seen the bad (quite a bit more). However, the same can be said for booze. So - I really don't know.

I've always felt that if you are going to make one illegal - make them both (weed and booze) illegal. They tried that once and we all know from history how that went.

I know that accidents (automobile) have went up drastically in those states that have made it legal. I also remember that when it first hit in Denver, there were several instances of kids eating weed laced candy and ending up in the hospital. I "believe" that they have changed the "packaging" but I'm not sure.

If weed is made legal, then it should be treated the EXACT same way as drunk driving. Other than that, I would be curious as to what happens in 10-20-30 years for those who "partake" regularly. I won't be around then - but I have a sneaking feeling that in the future, the same thing will happen that happened with tobacco. Cancer deaths will rise, cases of emphysema and COPD will rise and eventually, it will be determined that weed ain't that "good".

Just an opinion - based on absolutely nothing but gut feelings. I've seen this before with cigarettes. Hell, they had me for about 2 years....but that was back years before "warnings" were on the packages....
well, i'm 70 and i've been more or less a daily smoker since i started smoking weed with my black high-school friends in 1962...

i don't have any serious breathing problems (even though i smoked tobacco for about 20 years a the rate of 2 -3 packs per day), i don't have cancer and i managed to get through law school despite being high most of the time...

i've seen many people over the years who benefitted greatly from switching from alcohol dependence to regular pot use (like myself)...

there never has been any good reason to have made pot illegal, let alone put it on the same footing of freaking herion and speed...

generally, it's just old people who don't get it - their lucky strikes and jack were their "gateway" drugs and most younger people understand that (and some of us older geezers too)...

as we pass, there will be less and less resistance to legalization...

i had just hoped, desperately hoped that it would happen in my lifetime but they better get moving or i might miss it...
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