2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BDj23

Mikolas seems like he sucks

We have lots of quality pitching on the way. Flaherty will fit right into his spot this year. Hudson can take Waino's spot net year or at the All-Star break if Waino falters big time. Our main issue is the same one we have had for the recent past, offense.

Originally Posted by BDj23

Cards extend Dejong 6/26

I watched the broadcast yesterday and they were selling up how good DeJong was at SS. Not that he had fantastic range or arm but that he had good instincts. They showed a routine ground ball and talked about how good his instincts were to field that ball..... I thought that was really strange. Now, I know.

$26 million down the drain if he goes into a full on Diaz meltdown mode isn't much. Avoid arbitration and if he plays close to what he did last year, he's locked in until age 31. Get another year of control of his prime years. I like these cheap bets.

If Mikolas and Dejong both fail, its still a lot less money than we got just this year from MLB selling some tech developed on mlb.com. Baseball is awash in money.

[Marco Polo]

Dejong extension seems reasonable. At worst, he can be a young platoon player within the infield if he regresses.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Dejong extension seems reasonable. At worst, he can be a young platoon player within the infield if he regresses.

Yeah 4mil a year plus 2 option years is fine.

I have no problems with this.

If he regresses, you trade him.

[O.city]

He had a long time left before you need to make this decision.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's not financially crippling, but that's just dumb as ****.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not financially crippling, but that's just dumb as ****.

Perfect description of 95% of the moves Mo has made in his tenure.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Lulz

[Miles]

Seems unnecessarily early...

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have lots of quality pitching on the way. Flaherty will fit right into his spot this year. Hudson can take Waino's spot net year or at the All-Star break if Waino falters big time. Our main issue is the same one we have had for the recent past, offense.
I watched the broadcast yesterday and they were selling up how good DeJong was at SS. Not that he had fantastic range or arm but that he had good instincts. They showed a routine ground ball and talked about how good his instincts were to field that ball..... I thought that was really strange. Now, I know.

$26 million down the drain if he goes into a full on Diaz meltdown mode isn't much. Avoid arbitration and if he plays close to what he did last year, he's locked in until age 31. Get another year of control of his prime years. I like these cheap bets.

If Mikolas and Dejong both fail, its still a lot less money than we got just this year from MLB selling some tech developed on mlb.com. Baseball is awash in money.

The bullpen blew 40 leads last year BRC. FORTY!!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

The bullpen blew 40 leads last year BRC. FORTY!!

Yea it was epic bad. Seemed every other game we had a lead going into the 6th inning and boom.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

The bullpen blew 40 leads last year BRC. FORTY!!

l agree on the big time suckage of the bullpen. but we have help on the way. Hicks is going to be our closer, maybe by the end of this year. We have other options a year or two away too.

Offense? Maybe O’Neill and some more OF’s. But there isn’t a #3 hitter among them.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not financially crippling, but that's just dumb as ****.

$26 million over 6 years ain’t shit in baseball money. Who cares if they hedge their bets on future production? They have already proven with Diaz they will just cut a player, eat the dead money and move on if production drops.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

$26 million over 6 years ain’t shit in baseball money. Who cares if they hedge their bets on future production? They have already proven with Diaz they will just cut a player, eat the dead money and move on if production drops.

Every four million you spend on Paul DeJong is four million you don't spend on Manny Machado, or Max Scherzer, et. al.

There is nothing about DeJong's skillset that suggests his production last year was sustainable, and now, you've taken someone that can provide significant surplus value if he is even a 1.5 win player, and gutted a good portion of that, just to potentially save yourself money in his arb years, which won't happen for another 3 seasons. If he was Carlos Correa and had torn up the minors all the way through, then yeah, you make this move. But when he K's five times as often as he walks and needs a ridiculous BABIP to remain a useful offensive player in a time where HR are cheaper than ever, it's just bad business.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Every four million you spend on Paul DeJong is four million you don't spend on Manny Machado, or Max Scherzer, et. al.

if they try to sell that BS, no one is going to buy that crap. Oh we had to pay our 3B $4 million, 1% of revenue, so we can’t pay Manny $30 million a year?

The last “official” revenue year documentation we have is 2016. The Cardinals took in $310 million. They now have at least an additional $100 million from the cable contract. Not to mention increases in national TV contracts and mlb.com revenue. It’s a good assumption that in 2018 the Cards are going to have revenue in the $430-$450 million neighborhood.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

if they try to sell that BS, no one is going to buy that crap. Oh we had to pay our 3B $4 million so we can’t pay Manny $30 million a year?

The last “official” revenue year documentation we have is 2016. The Cardinals took in $310 million. They now have at least an additional $100 million from the cable contract. Not to mention increases in national TV contracts and mlb.com revenue. It’s a good assumption they are going to have revenue in the $430-$450 million neighborhood.

Whether you piss away $50 at a three-card-Monte game in one sitting, or $5 ten times playing the Lotto, you're still wasting money, and it all adds up.