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duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**ChiTown** · 07-23-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I wouldn't complain if they left him down a little longer, either. He is pretty close to ready, though.

With a Santana trade, I fear this:

1. Shields (Does he have ANY motivation left?)
2. Guthrie (Dude has been leaking oil since May)
3. Duffy (Fingers Crossed he can make it back successfully)
4. Davies (Hoch's Twin)
5. Hoch (You can't get rid of that dog-shit smell once you step in it)

That would be plain awfulness, but also, very Royals-like. Chen to Long-Relief, MexiMullet to Omaha.

Latest on Paulino:
Felipe Paulino (elbow, shoulder) threw a 25-pitch live batting practice session Monday.
The next step is two simulated innings on Thursday and three simulated innings on July 30. If those two sessions go well, he should be able to resume a rehab assignment. Paulino has had to start and stop his rehab a couple times but should return sometime next month if he can avoid any more setbacks. Jul 22 - 6:59 PM

Deberg_1990 · 07-23-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Can't argue with that. I brought up Hoch because he has looked pretty good in short relief lately, and maybe he has finally improved enough to give him one last look before letting him go.

Hoch has been babied all year. Everytime they have put him in stress situations or with runners on base he becomes what he always was. He shits the bed. A good organization would have cut ties with him long ago.
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**gblowfish** · 07-23-2013, 11:00 AM

Hoch pitched fine last night. Of course, his team was down by seven runs at the time. He always does fine with there's not pressure. That's his problem, he's a pants wetter in crunch time.

Prison Bitch · 07-23-2013, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hypothetical trade offer here:

Jake Peavey/Alex Rios for Ervin Santana, Competitive Balance Draft Pick, prospects (Duncan fill this part in)

Would any of you consider anything like this?

After this year, Glass is never letting Dayton near the checkbook again. So we can't really take on pricey vets after this latest abortion of a season.

Mama Hip Rockets · 07-23-2013, 05:43 PM

How is Wade Davis still in the major leagues?

Nightfyre · 07-23-2013, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hypothetical trade offer here:

Jake Peavey/Alex Rios for Ervin Santana, Competitive Balance Draft Pick, prospects (Duncan fill this part in)

Would any of you consider anything like this?

If we are sellers, why would we want Peavey/Rios?

Sure-Oz · 07-23-2013, 05:51 PM

Luke Hochevar - R - Royals

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Red Sox have been scouting Luke Hochevar.
He notes that the Sox "have not engaged in trade discussions with the Royals" at this point. Still, it's not a surprise that they're interest, as Boston is on the lookout for relief help and Hochevar has thrived in a bullpen role, posting a 2.00 ERA and 38/10 K/BB ratio over 36 frames. He's making $4.65 million this season before hitting free agency this winter.
Related: Red Sox
Source: FOXSports.com
Jul 23 - 7:21 PM

-King- · 07-23-2013, 06:01 PM

Deberg_1990 · 07-23-2013, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Luke Hochevar - R - Royals

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Red Sox have been scouting Luke Hochevar.
He notes that the Sox "have not engaged in trade discussions with the Royals" at this point. Still, it's not a surprise that they're interest, as Boston is on the lookout for relief help and Hochevar has thrived in a bullpen role, posting a 2.00 ERA and 38/10 K/BB ratio over 36 frames. He's making $4.65 million this season before hitting free agency this winter.
Related: Red Sox
Source: FOXSports.com
Jul 23 - 7:21 PM

Will Dayton part with his first born?

TambaBerry · 07-23-2013, 06:12 PM

Please please do a deal for hochevar

ChiefsCountry · 07-23-2013, 09:17 PM

After the Orioles series our next 12 are against the White Sox, Twins, and Mets. It would be a time to pick up some wins.

Nightfyre · 07-23-2013, 09:18 PM

Boston has some pieces that could make for an interesting deal. Especially if they were interested in acquiring more than Hoch.

WhawhaWhat · 07-23-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Boston has some pieces that could make for an interesting deal. Especially if they were interested in acquiring more than Hoch.

Clay Buchholz may not come back at all this season so they have a hole in the rotation.

Nightfyre · 07-23-2013, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Clay Buchholz may not come back at all this season so they have a hole in the rotation.

I mean, the way I look at it, Bradley = Olt and they have a bunch of arms they could throw in. Webster/Barnes/Owens, even Ranaudo could be the throw in arms. And Santana = Garza.

Or if we could swing a deal for Bogaerts somehow, I would JIMP.

tk13 · 07-23-2013, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

Have to admit I didn't see that coming.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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