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Old 03-13-2017, 04:20 PM  
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Spicer: Trump didn't actually mean "wire tapping."

Didn't mean Obama himself either, but rather his administration.

Then why call him a "bad (or sick) guy"? "Sick" seems to imply that Obama himself was listening in when he was doing Melania. (Now there's a scary thought - a desecration - like throwing acid on the Mona Lisa.)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...7ZH?li=BBnb7Kz

White House appears to soften Trump's claim on wiretapping


WASHINGTON The White House on Monday appeared to soften President Donald Trump's unproven assertion that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. The shift came as the Justice Department faced a deadline to provide lawmakers evidence to back up Trump's explosive claim.

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said Monday. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.

Spicer's evolving explanation underscores the bind Trump has put his own White House in. Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.

Trump himself has not commented on the matter since his March 4 tweets, in which he said he had "just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory." He also wrote: "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?"

The president's accusations against Obama came amid numerous political questions surrounding his associates' possible ties to Russia. The FBI is investigating Trump associates' contacts with Russia during the election, as are House and Senate intelligence committees.

The White House has asked those committees to also investigate Trump's unverified wiretapping allegations against Obama. The House committee has turned the matter back on the Trump administration, setting a Monday deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence.

Spicer said he expected the Justice Department to comply with that request. DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Monday that the department was reviewing the request, "but we don't have any further comment at this time."

Other congressional committees are also pushing the administration to clarify Trump's claims.

Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., asked Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and FBI Director James Comey to produce the paper trail created when the Justice Department's criminal division secures warrants for wiretaps. The senators, who head the Senate Judiciary Committee's crime and terrorism subcommittee, are seeking warrant applications and court orders, which they said can be scrubbed to protect secret intelligence sources and methods.

Trump's critics have slammed the president for making the wiretapping claim on his Twitter account without evidence. Wiretapping a U.S. citizen would require special permission from a court, and Trump as president would have the ability to declassify that information.

Sen. John McCain, an influential Republican, said Sunday: "I think the president has one of two choices: either retract or to provide the information that the American people deserve."

"If his predecessor violated the law, President Obama violated the law, we have got a serious issue here, to say the least," McCain said.

Comey has privately urged the Justice Department to dispute Trump's claim but has not come forward to do so himself. James Clapper, who was Obama's director of national intelligence, has said that nothing matching Trump's claims had taken place.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway sidestepped questions about the lack of proof Monday, saying she was "not in the job of having evidence."

"That's what investigations are for," Conway told CNN's "New Day." "The president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far."

In a weekend interview with the Bergen Record, a newspaper in her home state of New Jersey, Conway appeared to point toward the recent WikiLeaks release of nearly 8,000 documents that purportedly reveal secrets about the CIA's tools for breaking into targeted computers, cellphones and even smart TVs.

"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately," including "microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera," Conway said. "So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:45 PM   #16
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Because what he said does not exclude wiretapping. Seriously you can't be this dense.
No, but you can.

"He used the word wiretapping to mean...." [something other than wiretapping].

If he's adding to the allegations, he doesn't need Spicer to defend or even mention his tweets.

Now that it's time to put up or shut up, Spicer is saying he didn't actually mean wiretapping.

Jesus H. Christ. It's pretty ****ing obvious to anyone with a grade school education or above.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:46 PM   #17
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Jesus H. Christ. It's pretty ****ing obvious to anyone with a grade school education or above.
no shit!

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Old 03-13-2017, 06:48 PM   #18
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when all the 'ist' charges, racist, sexist, etc., are no longer working, all the left has now is to play semantics games... pathetic!!!!

this is worse than my 15-year-old!!!



seriously, in this day and age, do you REALLY think Trump meant they actually went in and spliced the wires on their cell phones?!?!?!?


"Wiretapping" means listening in on telephone conversations. That's what Trump was saying.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:53 PM   #19
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I listened to it live and this is not how I took the answer. More fake news.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:53 PM   #20
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"Wiretapping" means listening in on telephone conversations. That's what Trump was saying.
no, it literally means tying(ie. tapping) into the wires of a phone line to listen to the conversation.



semantics...
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:54 PM   #21
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"Wiretapping" means listening in on telephone conversations. That's what Trump was saying.
And? expanding on accusation doesn't change the intent of the original comment.

Your shit is weak and you look stupid arguing these things.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:55 PM   #22
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That's what Trump was saying.

wait, you are doing EXACTLY what you accuse Spicer of doing!
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:57 PM   #23
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And? expanding on accusation doesn't change the intent of the original comment.

Your shit is weak and you look stupid arguing these things.
You don't have to explain the original statement if you are making additional accusations.

You ****ing know there is not an ounce of evidence to back this shit up.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:59 PM   #24
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wait, you are doing EXACTLY what you accuse Spicer of doing!
Except, I'm not speaking for Trump. I'm simply stating the reasonable interpretation of what he said. Spicer is an insider, speaking for Trump, changing what Trump said.
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:26 PM   #25
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Trump said Obama tapped him.
I took that as Obama and his Administration.
Anyone that doesn't is being obtuse or a troll.

As for warrants. Either it happened or the NY papers lied about it happening all the way up the White House.
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Because what he said does not exclude wiretapping. Seriously you can't be this dense.
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