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Old 03-13-2017, 04:20 PM  
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Spicer: Trump didn't actually mean "wire tapping."

Didn't mean Obama himself either, but rather his administration.

Then why call him a "bad (or sick) guy"? "Sick" seems to imply that Obama himself was listening in when he was doing Melania. (Now there's a scary thought - a desecration - like throwing acid on the Mona Lisa.)

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White House appears to soften Trump's claim on wiretapping


WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday appeared to soften President Donald Trump's unproven assertion that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. The shift came as the Justice Department faced a deadline to provide lawmakers evidence to back up Trump's explosive claim.

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said Monday. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.

Spicer's evolving explanation underscores the bind Trump has put his own White House in. Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.

Trump himself has not commented on the matter since his March 4 tweets, in which he said he had "just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory." He also wrote: "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?"

The president's accusations against Obama came amid numerous political questions surrounding his associates' possible ties to Russia. The FBI is investigating Trump associates' contacts with Russia during the election, as are House and Senate intelligence committees.

The White House has asked those committees to also investigate Trump's unverified wiretapping allegations against Obama. The House committee has turned the matter back on the Trump administration, setting a Monday deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence.

Spicer said he expected the Justice Department to comply with that request. DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Monday that the department was reviewing the request, "but we don't have any further comment at this time."

Other congressional committees are also pushing the administration to clarify Trump's claims.

Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., asked Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and FBI Director James Comey to produce the paper trail created when the Justice Department's criminal division secures warrants for wiretaps. The senators, who head the Senate Judiciary Committee's crime and terrorism subcommittee, are seeking warrant applications and court orders, which they said can be scrubbed to protect secret intelligence sources and methods.

Trump's critics have slammed the president for making the wiretapping claim on his Twitter account without evidence. Wiretapping a U.S. citizen would require special permission from a court, and Trump as president would have the ability to declassify that information.

Sen. John McCain, an influential Republican, said Sunday: "I think the president has one of two choices: either retract or to provide the information that the American people deserve."

"If his predecessor violated the law, President Obama violated the law, we have got a serious issue here, to say the least," McCain said.

Comey has privately urged the Justice Department to dispute Trump's claim but has not come forward to do so himself. James Clapper, who was Obama's director of national intelligence, has said that nothing matching Trump's claims had taken place.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway sidestepped questions about the lack of proof Monday, saying she was "not in the job of having evidence."

"That's what investigations are for," Conway told CNN's "New Day." "The president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far."

In a weekend interview with the Bergen Record, a newspaper in her home state of New Jersey, Conway appeared to point toward the recent WikiLeaks release of nearly 8,000 documents that purportedly reveal secrets about the CIA's tools for breaking into targeted computers, cellphones and even smart TVs.

"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately," including "microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera," Conway said. "So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:40 PM   #31
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Ya, cause this is a new thing for a politician.
At the rate and severity he does, it absolutely is.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:18 PM   #32
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At the rate and severity he does, it absolutely is.
it's fun watching the histrionics of the left...
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:21 PM   #33
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"You can keep your doctor."
You do know doctors join and leave networks all the time you could still lose your doctor with or with out ACA.

Republicans love to bring up that statement morons.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:30 PM   #34
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it's fun watching the histrionics of the left...
It's equally fun watching the right's mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:30 PM   #35
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You do know doctors join and leave networks all the time you could still lose your doctor with or with out ACA.

Republicans love to bring up that statement morons.
They also ignore that Trump literally said the same thing. And promised no cuts to SS or Medicaid.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:48 PM   #36
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Wait...did KellyAnne Conway imply that Obama may...MAY...may have spied on Trump with a microwave oven/secret camera?
I think she did.
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:02 PM   #37
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Wait...did KellyAnne Conway imply that Obama may...MAY...may have spied on Trump with a microwave oven/secret camera?
I think she did.
I think she tried to sound smarter than she was and came off looking like an idiot. From reading the text it seems like she was trying to say that they were spying using microwaves (as in short wave radio frequency), but she butchered the language so bad it came out sounding like an appliance, which is probably why she shouldn't be talking on camera, because if she isn't lying about something and sounding like an idiot after fact checking, she's stumbling over simple definitions.
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:09 PM   #38
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I think she tried to sound smarter than she was and came off looking like an idiot. From reading the text it seems like she was trying to say that they were spying using microwaves (as in short wave radio frequency), but she butchered the language so bad it came out sounding like an appliance, which is probably why she shouldn't be talking on camera, because if she isn't lying about something and sounding like an idiot after fact checking, she's stumbling over simple definitions.
I think you're being pretty charitable.
“What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other,” Conway said. “You can surveil someone through their phones, certainly through their television sets — any number of ways. [Through] microwaves that turn into cameras. We know this is a fact of modern life.”

I don't think she was talking about radio frequencies.
Frankly, I assume someone could rig up a camera inside a microwave oven. The idea of Obama dressed as a maintenance man installing one in Trump's office just may have happened!
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:16 PM   #39
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Fair enough. That's my charity for the day.

Putting a wireless camera near a microwave would be about the dumbest ****ing idea possible, given that microwaves run near the most common frequency of wireless cameras.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:23 AM   #41
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It's equally fun watching the right's mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance.
If you think it takes any level of mental gymnastics to get to Spicer's comment from Trump's tweet, you might think about working out your legs less and your brain more.
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I thought the great thing about Trump is that he says what he means and he means what he says?

It seems like everytime he says something people have to come out and tell us what he really meant.
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It seems like after the thousandth time this happens, you'd start figuring out that he often doesn't mean what he says literally. It's not really that hard to figure out if you're making any effort at all.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:35 AM   #43
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when all the 'ist' charges, racist, sexist, etc., are no longer working, all the left has now is to play semantics games... pathetic!!!!

this is worse than my 15-year-old!!!



seriously, in this day and age, do you REALLY think Trump meant they actually went in and spliced the wires on their cell phones?!?!?!?


It's really pathetic to see some of the talking heads on the cable news channels getting the vapors over Trump's tweet as if they're too stupid to understand this. If they're really this stupid, they're in no position to be our eyes and ears on the government.
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It seems like after the thousandth time this happens, you'd start figuring out that he often doesn't mean what he says literally. It's not really that hard to figure out if you're making any effort at all.
I was willing to let some things go but if he is going to accuse people of some pretty heinous crimes he better have some proof or he should just shut the **** up at that point. He doesn't get to do that and not get called out on it. It is reckless and irresponsible. You don't get to come back and say that isn't what I meant.
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No, but you can.

"He used the word wiretapping to mean...." [something other than wiretapping].

If he's adding to the allegations, he doesn't need Spicer to defend or even mention his tweets.

Now that it's time to put up or shut up, Spicer is saying he didn't actually mean wiretapping.

Jesus H. Christ. It's pretty ****ing obvious to anyone with a grade school education or above.
This is what Trump tweeted:




Why do you think "wires tapped" is in quotes?
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