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Old 03-13-2017, 04:20 PM  
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Spicer: Trump didn't actually mean "wire tapping."

Didn't mean Obama himself either, but rather his administration.

Then why call him a "bad (or sick) guy"? "Sick" seems to imply that Obama himself was listening in when he was doing Melania. (Now there's a scary thought - a desecration - like throwing acid on the Mona Lisa.)

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White House appears to soften Trump's claim on wiretapping


WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday appeared to soften President Donald Trump's unproven assertion that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. The shift came as the Justice Department faced a deadline to provide lawmakers evidence to back up Trump's explosive claim.

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said Monday. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.

Spicer's evolving explanation underscores the bind Trump has put his own White House in. Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.

Trump himself has not commented on the matter since his March 4 tweets, in which he said he had "just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory." He also wrote: "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?"

The president's accusations against Obama came amid numerous political questions surrounding his associates' possible ties to Russia. The FBI is investigating Trump associates' contacts with Russia during the election, as are House and Senate intelligence committees.

The White House has asked those committees to also investigate Trump's unverified wiretapping allegations against Obama. The House committee has turned the matter back on the Trump administration, setting a Monday deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence.

Spicer said he expected the Justice Department to comply with that request. DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Monday that the department was reviewing the request, "but we don't have any further comment at this time."

Other congressional committees are also pushing the administration to clarify Trump's claims.

Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., asked Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and FBI Director James Comey to produce the paper trail created when the Justice Department's criminal division secures warrants for wiretaps. The senators, who head the Senate Judiciary Committee's crime and terrorism subcommittee, are seeking warrant applications and court orders, which they said can be scrubbed to protect secret intelligence sources and methods.

Trump's critics have slammed the president for making the wiretapping claim on his Twitter account without evidence. Wiretapping a U.S. citizen would require special permission from a court, and Trump as president would have the ability to declassify that information.

Sen. John McCain, an influential Republican, said Sunday: "I think the president has one of two choices: either retract or to provide the information that the American people deserve."

"If his predecessor violated the law, President Obama violated the law, we have got a serious issue here, to say the least," McCain said.

Comey has privately urged the Justice Department to dispute Trump's claim but has not come forward to do so himself. James Clapper, who was Obama's director of national intelligence, has said that nothing matching Trump's claims had taken place.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway sidestepped questions about the lack of proof Monday, saying she was "not in the job of having evidence."

"That's what investigations are for," Conway told CNN's "New Day." "The president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far."

In a weekend interview with the Bergen Record, a newspaper in her home state of New Jersey, Conway appeared to point toward the recent WikiLeaks release of nearly 8,000 documents that purportedly reveal secrets about the CIA's tools for breaking into targeted computers, cellphones and even smart TVs.

"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately," including "microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera," Conway said. "So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:37 AM   #76
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This is what Trump tweeted:




Why do you think "wires tapped" is in quotes?
God only knows what goes on in Trump's mind. "Wire tapping" is a colloquialism. Maybe that's why. Who knows.

He called Obama "a bad (or sick) guy." What do you think he meant by that?
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:38 AM   #77
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God only knows what goes on in Trump's mind. "Wire tapping" is a colloquialism. Maybe that's why. Who knows.

He called Obama "a bad (or sick) guy." What do you think he meant by that?
It's probably similar to "let's get some pizza"
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:43 AM   #78
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:45 AM   #79
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It seems like after the thousandth time this happens, you'd start figuring out that he often doesn't mean what he says literally. It's not really that hard to figure out if you're making any effort at all.
He means it...right up until he's forced to be figurative because it turns out what he said is complete bullshit.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:46 AM   #80
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It would be a more interesting debate if you would rebut his arguments instead of just calling him a moron.
Generally speaking, that's his M.O.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:49 AM   #81
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He actually tweeted 3 things about this. Maybe you didn't know that. Maybe you are just a lair.





Not only is he using the term wire tapping, which according to Merriam-Webster dictionary is a narrowly defined surveillance activity that involves tapping into "a telephone or telegram wire in order to get information", Trump himself gets specific with " Obama gone to tapp my phones".

Let me repeat that since you seem to want people to believe Trump didn't mean listen to phones.

Trump tweeted: " Obama gone to tapp my phones".
You have to learn that patt doesn't mean anything he says literally. He figures it out later.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:51 AM   #82
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:55 AM   #83
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Hell just delete any record of it and move on... LIDs for look the other way and forgive Trump if he does that.
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Old 03-14-2017, 11:02 AM   #84
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Both the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee have requested that the Department of Justice provide evidence it may have for Mr. Trump’s charge, but Mr. Spicer said on Monday that the president had not instructed the department to furnish any.

He suggested that Mr. Trump had relied on multiple news reports, including in The New York Times, to make his charge.
Jesus H. Christ. How can anyone continue to defend this shit? You would think that, at some point, self-respect would become an impediment.
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Hell just delete any record of it and move on... LIDs for look the other way and forgive Trump if he does that.

trump cant delete it and move on. as president, his communications are recorded for posterity.
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It would be a more interesting debate if you would rebut his arguments instead of just calling him a moron.
I have had these discussions over and over and over with that ****ing idiot and all he does is sight the same graphs and bullshit from shitty liberal think tanks. I am not wasting my time on that shit.

You have witnessed it yourself.

If you want to fool yourself into believing Obama's polices were great for the economic development and growth of our country then I just don't know what to tell except you are pretty damn gullible.

More proof liberals are stupid.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:08 PM   #87
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I have had these discussions over and over and over with that ****ing idiot and all he does is sight the same graphs and bullshit from shitty liberal think tanks. I am not wasting my time on that shit.

You have witnessed it yourself.

If you want to fool yourself into believing Obama's polices were great for the economic development and growth of our country then I just don't know what to tell except you are pretty damn gullible.

More proof liberals are stupid.
I kinda agree. Once you argue with a hard-leftist ( socialist, communist or any type of collectivist) it just becomes an endless loop of repeated statements —few if any that are ever sound economically. So why bother or just call them what they are. They do it to us too.
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You're forgetting how we conquered the aliens on Zeta Reticuli under Obamas resolute leadership!
Hey man, you need to have debate with him on this. Lex demands it.

On one hand the liberal idiots spend hours posting about how the middle class is shrinking, wages are terribly stagnant, our standard of living is falling, and the average Joe is getting ****ed over by the elites and uber wealthy.

Then they turn around and tell you Obama's administration was a boon to the economy, created more jobs than God, and was the best thing to ever happen to mankind next to blowjobs.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:17 PM   #89
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Hey man, you need to have debate with him on this. Lex demands it.

On one hand the liberal idiots spend hours posting about how the middle class is shrinking, wages are terribly stagnant, our standard of living is falling, and the average Joe is getting ****ed over by the elites and uber wealthy.

Then they turn around and tell you Obama's administration was a boon to the economy, created more jobs than God, and was the best thing to ever happen to mankind next to blowjobs.
"Those jobs arent coming back" Obama says, and the libs here back him to death

Trump starts bringing those jobs back, and libs wanna say "thats not his doing, he cant take credit for the jobs report!"

And no, there is never any constructive dialogue to be had with Iguana... he lives by the motto "admit nothing, deny everything, blame it all on conservatives" probably more than any other lib here
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I have had these discussions over and over and over with that ****ing idiot and all he does is sight the same graphs and bullshit from shitty liberal think tanks. I am not wasting my time on that shit.

You have witnessed it yourself.

If you want to fool yourself into believing Obama's polices were great for the economic development and growth of our country then I just don't know what to tell except you are pretty damn gullible.

More proof liberals are stupid.
"Those job numbers were fake during Obama's terms, but are real now."

Do you have any awareness to how stupid you sound?

/about as stupid as the president.
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