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Old 03-13-2017, 04:20 PM  
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Spicer: Trump didn't actually mean "wire tapping."

Didn't mean Obama himself either, but rather his administration.

Then why call him a "bad (or sick) guy"? "Sick" seems to imply that Obama himself was listening in when he was doing Melania. (Now there's a scary thought - a desecration - like throwing acid on the Mona Lisa.)

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White House appears to soften Trump's claim on wiretapping


WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday appeared to soften President Donald Trump's unproven assertion that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. The shift came as the Justice Department faced a deadline to provide lawmakers evidence to back up Trump's explosive claim.

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said Monday. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.

Spicer's evolving explanation underscores the bind Trump has put his own White House in. Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.

Trump himself has not commented on the matter since his March 4 tweets, in which he said he had "just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory." He also wrote: "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?"

The president's accusations against Obama came amid numerous political questions surrounding his associates' possible ties to Russia. The FBI is investigating Trump associates' contacts with Russia during the election, as are House and Senate intelligence committees.

The White House has asked those committees to also investigate Trump's unverified wiretapping allegations against Obama. The House committee has turned the matter back on the Trump administration, setting a Monday deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence.

Spicer said he expected the Justice Department to comply with that request. DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Monday that the department was reviewing the request, "but we don't have any further comment at this time."

Other congressional committees are also pushing the administration to clarify Trump's claims.

Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., asked Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and FBI Director James Comey to produce the paper trail created when the Justice Department's criminal division secures warrants for wiretaps. The senators, who head the Senate Judiciary Committee's crime and terrorism subcommittee, are seeking warrant applications and court orders, which they said can be scrubbed to protect secret intelligence sources and methods.

Trump's critics have slammed the president for making the wiretapping claim on his Twitter account without evidence. Wiretapping a U.S. citizen would require special permission from a court, and Trump as president would have the ability to declassify that information.

Sen. John McCain, an influential Republican, said Sunday: "I think the president has one of two choices: either retract or to provide the information that the American people deserve."

"If his predecessor violated the law, President Obama violated the law, we have got a serious issue here, to say the least," McCain said.

Comey has privately urged the Justice Department to dispute Trump's claim but has not come forward to do so himself. James Clapper, who was Obama's director of national intelligence, has said that nothing matching Trump's claims had taken place.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway sidestepped questions about the lack of proof Monday, saying she was "not in the job of having evidence."

"That's what investigations are for," Conway told CNN's "New Day." "The president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far."

In a weekend interview with the Bergen Record, a newspaper in her home state of New Jersey, Conway appeared to point toward the recent WikiLeaks release of nearly 8,000 documents that purportedly reveal secrets about the CIA's tools for breaking into targeted computers, cellphones and even smart TVs.

"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately," including "microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera," Conway said. "So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:37 PM   #91
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Hey man, you need to have debate with him on this. Lex demands it.

On one hand the liberal idiots spend hours posting about how the middle class is shrinking, wages are terribly stagnant, our standard of living is falling, and the average Joe is getting ****ed over by the elites and uber wealthy.

Then they turn around and tell you Obama's administration was a boon to the economy, created more jobs than God, and was the best thing to ever happen to mankind next to blowjobs.
First, the middle class is shrinking, wages have been stagnant for 30 years, and yes that does lead to lower standard of living. Maybe you missed the memo, but "I want coal jobs back" (which is basically saying the middle class is shrinking - no more manufacturing jobs--, wages are stagnant -- the jobs don't pay as much as coal mining, -- and its leading to a lower standard of living -- Make America great again) is a big reason people voted for Trump.

Second, no one has said Obama created more jobs than GOd or the best thing to happen.

I said that the number of new jobs is the same as the numbers typically created under Obama. For example, February 2017 added 235,000 jobs. In February of 2016 added 233,000 jobs. Notice how that is roughly the same? I know I know, the numbers were false under Obama, but true now.

Want more examples? Okay. You mentioned Consumer confidence. Well, Consumer Confidence is currently sitting at 114.8. What was before Trump took office? 113.7.

You know what it was when Obama took office? 25. Obama presided over consumer confidence reaching 15 year highs.

Maybe if you actually paid attention during the Obama term rather than just parroting whatever talking points you wanted to believe, you wouldn't look like a tool all the time.
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:48 PM   #92
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trump cant delete it and move on. as president, his communications are recorded for posterity.
Yes & no. He was sent a warning by the House Judiciary for deleting tweets already and informing him future deletions would be in violation of Federal law.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:03 PM   #93
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Yes & no. He was sent a warning by the House Judiciary for deleting tweets already and informing him future deletions would be in violation of Federal law.
thanks for the clarification. was the warning for the @realdonald deletions since the inaguration?
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:20 PM   #94
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Yes & no. He was sent a warning by the House Judiciary for deleting tweets already and informing him future deletions would be in violation of Federal law.
What about deleting the twitter account entirely?
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Hey man, you need to have debate with him on this. Lex demands it.

On one hand the liberal idiots spend hours posting about how the middle class is shrinking, wages are terribly stagnant, our standard of living is falling, and the average Joe is getting ****ed over by the elites and uber wealthy.

Then they turn around and tell you Obama's administration was a boon to the economy, created more jobs than God, and was the best thing to ever happen to mankind next to blowjobs.
Can you post the numbers that support your claim? Just so that we can compare them to Obama's numbers. Thanks.
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I hope this thread goes 33 pages of defining and defending what Trump meant in his tweets just as the thread that Obama tapped Trumps wires at Trump tower because it makes all you defending him look like even bigger ****ing idiots.
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I hope this thread goes 33 pages of defining and defending what Trump meant in his tweets just as the thread that Obama tapped Trumps wires at Trump tower because it makes all you defending him look like even bigger ****ing idiots.

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So basically some of you think it's acceptable to violate the 4th amendment as long as they don't put a physical wire tap on a phone.

If we're using surveillance options available in modern times instead of the 70's, it's not a problem.

This is a pedantic conversation when the real issue is the CIA and FBI's continuing disregard for the 4th amendment during Obama's presidency and the previous one under Bush (which obama simply expanded upon, even though he lied during his campaign and said he'd dial it back).

A trend that Trump will follow, because presidents tend to build on the power established by previous presidents, not dial it back. This is why it's bad to set totalitarian precedents. Eventually someone you DO NOT like will end up in that office.

The topic is bigger than semantics and your hatred of Trump.

Has any actual evidence of any of this been turned over to Congress yet, as they requested?
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It concerns me that the POTUS is either trolling the entire ****ing country, or gaslighting it.

I don't care what party the current POTUS is from, or what exact language he uses. Instead, it'd be REALLY ****ING NICE if he wouldn't make serious allegations about criminal violations by the opposing party with, apparently, no evidence whatsoever that he is interested in turning over. He's like the world's worst reporter, except he's the ****ing PRESIDENT, so when he spews shit people tend to pay attention and take it seriously.

But apparently we need some kind of filter -- in the form of Spicer or whoever -- to confirm what his words actually meant, and whether we should really pay attention to him this time, or whether, you know, he's just spewing shit that he has no intention of actually following up on because, you know, reasons.

It just gives me no confidence in the man with his finger on the proverbial button.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:17 PM   #101
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thanks for the clarification. was the warning for the @realdonald deletions since the inaguration?
Yes, since he was sworn in.

The previous administration had a program setup to automatically capture any social media posts for preservation. That way the account was able to delete edit and repost if something had a mistake because the entire history was collected already even if it was deleted .
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Why does Tom Brady QB for city full of Communists?
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It concerns me that the POTUS is either trolling the entire ****ing country, or gaslighting it.

I don't care what party the current POTUS is from, or what exact language he uses. Instead, it'd be REALLY ****ING NICE if he wouldn't make serious allegations about criminal violations by the opposing party with, apparently, no evidence whatsoever that he is interested in turning over. He's like the world's worst reporter, except he's the ****ing PRESIDENT, so when he spews shit people tend to pay attention and take it seriously.

But apparently we need some kind of filter -- in the form of Spicer or whoever -- to confirm what his words actually meant, and whether we should really pay attention to him this time, or whether, you know, he's just spewing shit that he has no intention of actually following up on because, you know, reasons.

It just gives me no confidence in the man with his finger on the proverbial button.
I don't believe that he ever believed what he said in those tweets. He intended them to raise a shit storm to draw attention away from Sessions' embarrassing Senate confirmation hearing testimony about communications with Russia.

Twitter is a weapon for him, and lies are his ammunition. Asking him to filter it would be like asking someone to filter bullets as they exit the gun barrel. If there was any way to do it, it would be counter productive.

We've entered the age of Trump. Propaganda is what matters to him. Not truth. And he obviously doesn't give two shits about the office.
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It's more than that, it's the eastern half of Mass, all of Vermont, Rhode Island and Maine, half of Connecticut.
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It concerns me that the POTUS is either trolling the entire ****ing country, or gaslighting it.

I don't care what party the current POTUS is from, or what exact language he uses. Instead, it'd be REALLY ****ING NICE if he wouldn't make serious allegations about criminal violations by the opposing party with, apparently, no evidence whatsoever that he is interested in turning over. He's like the world's worst reporter, except he's the ****ing PRESIDENT, so when he spews shit people tend to pay attention and take it seriously.

But apparently we need some kind of filter -- in the form of Spicer or whoever -- to confirm what his words actually meant, and whether we should really pay attention to him this time, or whether, you know, he's just spewing shit that he has no intention of actually following up on because, you know, reasons.

It just gives me no confidence in the man with his finger on the proverbial button.
Gaslighting...

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