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Old 03-15-2017, 03:15 PM  
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Former Colonel Warns US Generating Enemies Beyond Capacity to Deal with Them

It's not just Russia, but it's beginning to look like North Korea may be Trump's first globalist war using the military first. He's escalated the war in Syria, where Russia and the Assad govt have already made serious gains against ISIS. Now it's ground troops going in there, without permission of that sovereign nation. No wonder Assad says he will consider us invaders. Then there's Saudi's war with Yemen—not our fight but Trump is escalating that too. The guys being fought there are enemies of ISIS.

In looking at North Korea, this one scares me. But again, why the hell do they want nukes? Look what happened to Libya when they got rid of their nukes. John Bolton has already been on Fox stressing regime change there and now drones are being sent to the border. NK knows they're on our growing list of countries targeted for regime change wars. This is the song of globalism, using the military first that Trump said he opposed.

I suspect it's the advice Trump is getting. He needs to clean house. He's going NeoCon. He's surrounded by them and they lie to get their way. It's no wonder the Deep State leadership is and the GOPe are out to get Trump.
Lawrence Wilkerson, a former Army colonel and chief of staff for Colin Powell at the United States Department of State, expressed this week strong criticism of the US government adding more and more nations to its enemies list. Speaking with host Paul Jay at the Real News Network this week, Wilkerson, who is a professor at the College of William & Mary, concludes that, even with the large amount of money the US spends on the military, it is “utterly beyond our capacity to deal with all these enemies” that the US has generated.

In the interview, which is largely focused on some individuals’ effort to influence US foreign policy toward creating intensified animosity between the governments of the US and Russia, Wilkerson explains further his concern about the long list of US enemies.

Wilkerson states:

What I can't fathom right now is why anyone would want, with the situation the way it is right now in this country, another enemy. You know that old conservation of enemies theory: You don't want any more than you can handle at any given time. Look at who we're lining up, Paul. We're lining up China. We're lining up Iran and all that goes along with Iran, including Hezbollah in Lebanon. We are lining up with North Korea. We are lining up with Russia. This is absurd. John McCain and Lindsay Graham can pontificate all day long, but I'm going to tell you that they're idiots. We do not need an enemy list that is beyond what we could even in the most wild moment contemplate handling. We don't have the military forces to handle all these enemies, and, yet, we're bearding them, as it were.
Col. Lawrence Wilkerson tells Paul Jay that from the expansion of NATO to the Western-led plundering of the former USSR, the US has given Russia enough reason to feel threatened:


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Old 03-15-2017, 04:49 PM   #16
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:49 PM   #17
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It isn't an ad hom, and I wasn't incorrect.
However, I'll give you credit for giving Trump a "black mark."
It's more than you ever did for either Obama or Hillary. I'm not sure why you think you have room to be critical of anybody.
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:39 PM   #18
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It isn't an ad hom, and I wasn't incorrect.
Nope. It's exactly an ad hom, which just means to the poster not the issue. It doesn't have to be abusive or vicious ad hom to be ad hom. Those are just modifiers. Ad hom is anything about the person instead of the issue.

And, yes, you were incorrect or not wholly correct. You made another logical fallacy called a strawman, twisting previous positions of mine to suit your antagonism.


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However, I'll give you credit for giving Trump a "black mark."
I don't need your credit. It's worthless. Since, you're just anti-Trump all around.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:44 PM   #19
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BEP, this thread looks a lot like the Republican version of an Oaklandhater thread. You are better than that.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:36 PM   #20
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BEP, this thread looks a lot like the Republican version of an Oaklandhater thread. You are better than that.
I am against how many wars we're waging at the same time and it was the first reason I supported Trump. I don't think it's good for the country. So I think this colonel is right.

I am a paleocon/libertarian on this topic. Those guys supported Trump for his not relying on military first, and also criticizing him. This includes former CIA like Michael Scheuer and Dr. Dr. Steve Pieczenik.

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Mr. Trump: Re-intervention in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan kills the chance to revive America
Former CIA Scheuer
http://non-intervention.com/


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Stop these Useless Wars! Raqqa Syria!
Former CIA Pieczenik ( involved in regime change operations before like Noreiga)
http://stevepieczenik.com/stop-these...ars-ray-syria/


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Pat Buchanan: Is a Korean missile crisis ahead?
While the United States cannot back down, it is difficult to reconcile a second Korean war with our America first policy.
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opin...5b73f1385.html
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:42 PM   #21
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More reason to pass the budget and fund the repair to our .mil
Our military doesn't need to be repaired so we can police the world and or be in more than 100 countries. It only needs upgrades on out of date equipment. We've already have the top military, but what good is it when NK has nukes aimed at us?

If JFK can engage in back-door diplomacy to bring an end the Cuban Missile Crisis, then why not Trump? He said he would go military first.

Then there's the graveyard of empires—Afghanistan. It's already served it's purpose. Time to leave.

What we're doing is too much. Polls show Americans think our govt is doing too much abroad and even at home. You guys are tone deaf to it, but you're not with most Americans on it. That is mainstream Americans. This historically is how all empires have ended—over extension abroad. Why do some of you on the right want that, if you for us really being a superpower?
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Old 03-16-2017, 05:49 AM   #22
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Shocking. It is not like myself and others didn't tell you a 1000 times this would happen. But you and TJ decided to sellout. Can't complain now
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:12 AM   #23
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So does Wilkerson think giving billions of $ to Iran was a better way of going about things?

Furthermore Trump isnt the one screaming about Russia, that would be the Dems.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:37 AM   #24
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This post is ad hom and doesn't address the points.

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Shocking. It is not like myself and others didn't tell you a 1000 times this would happen. But you and TJ decided to sellout. Can't complain now
I have not sold out, anymore than you sold out voting for Hitlery. This is just our opinion, and one that shows gross ignorance of my positions and issues on the campaign, because you were absent here for most of that period. You did not tell me a 1000 times this would happen either. I knew Trump was going to go after ISIS, because he said so—just not how.

FYI, I don't regret my vote because HiLiaRy would still be worse and we'd be in the TPP AND at war with Russia. (Unfortunately detente with Russia is now on the back burner.)

I said when I voted for Trump that I could and would still complain when I disagreed with Trump. No one agrees with everything a candidate says or does. Same with Bush.

I even acknowledged that I knew he was going to go after ISIS and not by getting out of the MidEast, but knew Americans wanted ISIS dealt with. So I was willing to accept that disagreement. (There's a post here somewhere from last year where I specifically post this about ISIS, that I didn't agree but understood it.) Trump didn't say how but, iirc he mentioned something regarding their funding which I did support, since the Saudi's fund them. If he was at least going after their funding, I'd have less of a problem, but instead he escalates the war in Yemen, a Saudi war, which is make more terrorists.

Trump also said he was fine letting the Russians do it, or work with them. Bringing in ground troops, without Assad's permission, isn't doing that. Let's see what side he starts to kill.

However, when I see John Bolton on Fox saying Assad has to go, I have to wonder if we're really going to be working with those like Al Nusra who are trying to get rid of Assad. We're better off helping Assad and letting him stay.
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:00 AM   #25
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Trumps Generals want to escalate the Afghanistan war too! It's an unwinnable failure—the graveyard of empires.


Name me a single US General that has won a war since WWII? Non of them have been declared wars either. We never win those.

Trump needs to exert some control of his generals instead of letting them decide such things. He's the CiC—not the generals.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:19 PM   #26
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Trumps Generals want to escalate the Afghanistan war too! It's an unwinnable failure—the graveyard of empires.


Name me a single US General that has won a war since WWII? Non of them have been declared wars either. We never win those.

Trump needs to exert some control of his generals instead of letting them decide such things. He's the CiC—not the generals.
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Thread title false.

We can just nuke our new enemies. No capacity issue here.

I have a proposal. For every new enemy, we must first nuke two old enemies before they can officially be our enemy. (Crowd roars with approval).
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:38 PM   #28
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This is a black mark on Trump imo. I think if a true anti-war Independent arises, it may just result in them winning the next election.

We're using private mercenaries more now and this is expanding per Colonel Wilkerson. This sort of thing can lead to less opposition to such wars, since less of our own people have to fight them.
There was one this past election cycle. His name is Bernie.
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Tillerson said today that diplomacy with North Korea had "failed" and indicated it was time for a "new approach." What that means... who knows.
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