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Old 03-16-2017, 10:59 AM  
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Trumps Budget, setting a direction

The Trump Business man shows in his Budget proposals. For sure he knows he wont get all he wants but he also knows that establishing that expectation will get him big gains in the final measure.

Cutting the UN is a winner with voters, Cutting the EPA and brining them back into focus on real world environmental protection is a must.

Slashing the Arts and PBS? Not so h=good in my estimation but we enjoy PBS and are long term contributors.

But bottom line is, He will accomplish a bunch by cutting fat department by department and moving things back to the states to do and reduce Washingtons overhead.



The new White House budget proposal, a wish list of President Donald Trump’s policies, would cut funding to several arts and grants programs that Republicans have decried for decades.

Trump’s 2018 budget, called “America First: A Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again,” requests increases in defense spending and reduction of domestic programs.

Specifically, the budget “proposes to eliminate funding for other independent agencies,” including the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH), and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which sends some amount of funding to PBS and National Public Radio.

Though Big Bird only re-airs on PBS (“Sesame Street” is now on HBO), eliminating funding to things like the NEA Corporation for Public Broadcasting is not a new idea. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested cutting the CPB during the 2012 presidential campaign, and was quickly criticized. Former President Barack Obama even accused Romney of trying to kill Big Bird in a campaign ad.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:37 PM   #31
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If you think that's what was said you aren't very smart.
He specifically included it in programs that aren't giving any results. Check the video.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:44 PM   #32
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His budget is DOA in Congress. If he was serious he needs to start by cutting all farm subsidies. That is just welfare for farmers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ol-hill-236146

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President Donald Trump’s budget proposal got a rough reception Thursday on Capitol Hill.

“Not our starting point.” “Not something that will fly around here politically.” “Congress will do its own budget.”

And that’s just the Republicans.

In his first budget request to Congress, Trump has proposed adding $54 billion to the Pentagon and the departments of Homeland Security and Energy and cutting an equal amount in domestic funding. That dramatic shift in spending would mean slashing or terminating dozens of federal programs.

Democrats, as expected, blasted the 64-page proposal — known as a “skinny budget” — as radical and cruel, especially for its cuts to programs that support the poor.

Yet it’s clear that the Trump budget would gut programs favored by Republicans as well. And key GOP lawmakers in the House and Senate already are signaling they won’t move forward with Trump’s proposal.
Trump is about to find what other presidents have before him — lawmakers in both parties like to talk about cutting spending and reducing the deficit. But don’t cut their own pet program, or one that would cost them politically. That’s something that won’t do, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.

“I am very concerned that deep cuts to our diplomacy will hurt efforts to combat terrorism, distribute critical humanitarian aid, and promote opportunities for American workers,” said Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, of dramatic reductions in the State Department and foreign aid budgets. “Especially when the United States is fighting ISIS and millions are at risk of starvation around the world.”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who serves on both the Appropriations and Foreign Relations panels, also criticized the cuts to the State Department budget, although he backed other parts of Trump’s proposal.

“I do not support the proposed 28 percent cut to our international affairs budget and diplomatic efforts led by the State Department,” Rubio said in a statement. “These programs are integral to our national security, and cuts at these levels undermine America’s ability to keep our citizens safe.”
The politics of supporting the Trump budget plan, said one top House Republican, are so dangerous that “I don't think we'd get 50 votes for it.”
Rep. Hal Rogers, former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee and still a senior member of the panel, said he plans to make a personal pitch to the White House in support of a long list of programs that have “proved themselves worthy.”

The Kentucky Republican vowed to fight for agencies that help create jobs, such as the Appalachian Regional Commission and the Economic Development Association, as well as grants that focus on community development, all of which the White House has proposed eliminating. Rogers also pointed to infrastructure programs like Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery, or TIGER, grants and another initiative that benefits rural airports.

“Some of the things that a poor district like mine have come to depend upon, I’m obligated to fight for,” Rogers said. “Those are the areas that need help the most.”

"I think the president's proposal is not our starting point," said Rep. Steve Stivers of Ohio, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is tasked with safeguarding the House majority. "A $54 billion trade from domestic to defense spending — and I consider myself a defense hawk — I think that some of the cuts are a little drastic in certain places."

"I've been here 22 years. I've seen a whole bunch of presidential budgets submitted," said Rep. Frank Lucas of Oklahoma. "It's still the House and Senate Budget committees that decide, and ultimately, it's the Appropriations Committee and whatever happens in the fall that decides."

Lucas added, "I respect the president for making tough choices. But I need my county [Farm Service Agency] offices, and I need to make sure we have the ability to feed ourselves and make sure nobody goes hungry."
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:47 PM   #33
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He specifically included it in programs that aren't giving any results. Check the video.
MOW isn't directly Federally funded. What he said is states can decide if they want to spend federal grant $ on it or not.

Most of MOW money does not come from federal grant money. Its partially funded from BLOCK GRANTS given to states who decide what to spend the $ on.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:48 PM   #34
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His budget is DOA in Congress. If he was serious he needs to start by cutting all farm subsidies. That is just welfare for farmers.
Every single skinny budget proposed out the gate is DOA in congress. This isn't new or unique in any way shape or form.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:50 PM   #35
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I fail to see why BEP and Taco can love this guy when he jacks up military spending past its already bloated level.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:01 PM   #36
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His budget is DOA in Congress. If he was serious he needs to start by cutting all farm subsidies. That is just welfare for farmers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ol-hill-236146
No, it's actually not at all. Farmers are ****ed over enough already. USDA is a popular left side target, much like welfare is a popular right side target. But that's bullshit on both sides. The USDA needs its funding and more just as much as NASA in my opinion. And Trump has already said he would cut USDA funding by 21%. That's straight bullshit. I'm not sure if you understand what all that covers. I respect your opinion a great deal on most topics, but I think you're wrong here. Coming from a Kansas farm boy turned KC city dweller.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:15 PM   #37
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No, it's actually not at all. Farmers are ****ed over enough already. USDA is a popular left side target, much like welfare is a popular right side target. But that's bullshit on both sides. The USDA needs its funding and more just as much as NASA in my opinion. And Trump has already said he would cut USDA funding by 21%. That's straight bullshit. I'm not sure if you understand what all that covers. I respect your opinion a great deal on most topics, but I think you're wrong here. Coming from a Kansas farm boy turned KC city dweller.
No way to know what he suggested to cut.

Certainly a lot comes from Food Stamps.

Some was designated to come from staffing at the county office level. And some cuts are overlap programs that can be handed off to state conservation agencies.

It will take time...realize the dems are slow walking the Ag Director cabinet position and all this is speculation till Perdue is in place.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:18 PM   #38
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It really is not. You speak for like 7 people. At best 9.
https://mic.com/articles/159119/if-o...ked#.t1T77AUIo

Almost an entire generation is anti GOP for good reason.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:19 PM   #39
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Almost an entire generation is anti GOP for good reason.

do you hear voices?
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MOW isn't directly Federally funded. What he said is states can decide if they want to spend federal grant $ on it or not.

Most of MOW money does not come from federal grant money. Its partially funded from BLOCK GRANTS given to states who decide what to spend the $ on.
And reducing the community program block grants means those programs get ****ed.
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do you hear voices?
Can I have some of what your smoking ?
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Almost an entire generation is anti GOP for good reason.
Your map doesn't defend your statement man. Yes, that would of been a comfortable D win, but quite a ways from "almost an entire generation". Also, as people have pointed out in other threads on the subject, people generally move right as they age. It happened to me anyways.

But I will say, looking at a blue Texas is a very sobering sight. If/when R's lose Texas, that's the ballgame
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How would you know? Just gross $$? How many airplanes do we have we dont have replacement parts for? How many pilots do we have who have lost certification because we dont have planes or fuel? You are ignorant...thats not an insult...its a fact...you dont have any data and information to evaluate if we have an issue or not. So shut the **** up till you have one iota of information and stop showing your ass. How would you know how many bases we need any ****ing place.
Your wife stop putting out or something?

Calm your ass down, breathe, and ask yourself if airplane maintenance is more expensive during war or after war. Do you think it would be more expensive when we are running missions constantly? Maybe we use more fuel during war as well? How about when we have a lot more boots on the ground, think that costs a bit more? It's common sense.

As far as how many bases we need in South Korea, I've been to 5 of them. Doesn't mean I know all there is to know about them(I don't) but I sure the hell know more than you do about them. Actually think about it for a moment, we have 12 bases in a country the size of Tennessee. It's a money drain. Don't come to me asking for data when I at least provided something as a comparison of where spending was to where it is now. You haven't provided jack shit and instead just defend a massive spending increase with nothing to back it up. Hypocrite much?
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And reducing the community program block grants means those programs get ****ed.
That would be completely up to the state to decide would it not?

The point is yes the states get less block grant $ and decide what programs to spend it on. If MOW is working why would they cut that program? Most of MOW $ comes from private donations anyway.

Its up to them.
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Your map doesn't defend your statement man. Yes, that would of been a comfortable D win, but quite a ways from "almost an entire generation". Also, as people have pointed out in other threads on the subject, people generally move right as they age. It happened to me anyways.

But I will say, looking at a blue Texas is a very sobering sight. If/when R's lose Texas, that's the ballgame
The generation he is referring to has zero wealth at this point.

Strangely enough when people start making $ and supporting themselves they largely become Republican.

So unless an entire generation is going to live in their Mom's basement into their 40's the normal historic pattern will prevail.
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