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How has God wired you spiritually? What is your spiritual gift/gifts?

When a person comes to Christ, that person receives a spiritual gift and most receive several spiritual gifts through the Power of the Holy Spirit that now inhabits their soul. For a list of those spiritual gifts you can read I Cor. 12 and Romans 12. However, using your spiritual gifts is very much like physical exercise. You need to practice and serve at all times in your gifts so that the Holy Spirit can build up your soul spiritually so that you may be bold in living and serving in your faith. But if you avoid serving with the spiritual gifts Jesus gave you then you will spiritually atrophy. You won't lose your gifts but you will be ineffective in your faith. Paul encourages Timothy to fan into flame the power of the Holy Spirit to use his spiritual gifts and not to be timid. Because the more you use your gifts the more the Power of God is revealed through YOU !!!

Here is the 5th talk by Pastor Jeff in the series called "The Power of the Gospel" and this talk is labeled "Powering Forward"!! Pastor Jeff a talented speaker and teacher of the Bible in this video sermon/audio only if you choose gives much encouragement, joy and hope to both Christians and unbelievers. To discover and develop their spiritual gifts through the person of Jesus Christ. For those of you who have not heard him speak he is truly one of the most authentic, genuine, straight from the heart, pull no punches, tells it like it is, gifted speaker of the Gospel that I have heard in a long time and have met. He is the 'real deal' and your time will not be wasted listening to him.

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Old 03-18-2017, 03:09 PM   #16
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I'm wired to not give a **** about anything beyond this physical realm.
Of course you are because you were born with the sin virus as all of us are thus wired to only think about ourselves first by sin nature and only this existence. Sin separates us from actually loving others perfectly and most of all keeps us from "knowing" God personally. But thanks be to Jesus who died for our sins thus sin now no longer makes us slaves to sin because now we have the Holy Spirit in our soul to resist sin and live with God's power to overcome whatever sins trip us up. And the biggest and best part of Jesus dying for our sins is now we finally get to have a relationship with Him and truly "know" him as opposed to just "knowing about" Him. Read this scripture below as it talks about sinful man(those without Christ) being without excuse on judgement day because God has wired every human being to know in their soul that He does exist. So as much as you want to deny that there is a God, deep in your soul God has created that element in all of us that we know He does exist long before we are saved. Here read this scripture below as it talks about that deep soulful knowing in all of us.

Romans 1:19-32
19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

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God wants me in hell apparently.
Oh no, far from it !! God wishes no one to go to hell. I Tim 2:4 and II Peter 3:9

2 Peter 3:9New International Version (NIV)
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

One of the great Christian Theologians and Pastors of our day is John Piper. Here is an excerpt from his book "Desiring God" discussing hell.

The misery of hell will be so great that no one will want to be there. They will be weeping and gnashing their teeth (Matthew 8:12). Between their sobs, they will not speak the words, “I want this.” They will not be able to say amid the flames of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14), “I want this.” “The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night” (Revelation 14:11). No one wants this.

When there are only two choices, and you choose against one, it does not mean that you want the other, if you are ignorant of the outcome of both. Unbelieving people know neither God nor hell. This ignorance is not innocent. Apart from regenerating grace, all people “suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18).

The person who rejects God does not know the real horrors of hell. This may be because he does not believe hell exists, or it may be because he convinces himself that it would be tolerably preferable to heaven.

But whatever he believes or does not believe, when he chooses against God, he is wrong about God and about hell. He is not, at that point, preferring the real hell over the real God. He is blind to both. He does not perceive the true glories of God, and he does not perceive the true horrors of hell.

So when a person chooses against God and, therefore, de facto chooses hell—or when he jokes about preferring hell with his friends over heaven with boring religious people—he does not know what he is doing. What he rejects is not the real heaven (nobody will be boring in heaven), and what he “wants” is not the real hell, but the tolerable hell of his imagination.

When he dies, he will be shocked beyond words. The miseries are so great he would do anything in his power to escape. That it is not in his power to repent does not mean he wants to be there. Esau wept bitterly that he could not repent (Hebrew 12:17). The hell he was entering into he found to be totally miserable, and he wanted out. The meaning of hell is the scream: “I hate this, and I want out.”

What sinners want is not hell but sin. That hell is the inevitable consequence of unforgiven sin does not make the consequence desirable. It is not what people want—certainly not what they “most want.” Wanting sin is no more equal to wanting hell than wanting chocolate is equal to wanting obesity. Or wanting cigarettes is equal to wanting cancer.

Beneath this misleading emphasis on hell being what people “most want” is the notion that God does not “send” people to hell. But this is simply unbiblical. God certainly does send people to hell. He does pass sentence, and he executes it. Indeed, worse than that. God does not just “send,” he “throws.” “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown (Greek eblethe) into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:15; cf. Mark 9:47; Matthew 13:42; 25:30).

The reason the Bible speaks of people being “thrown” into hell is that no one will willingly go there, once they see what it really is. No one standing on the shore of the lake of fire jumps in. They do not choose it, and they will not want it. They have chosen sin. They have wanted sin. They do not want the punishment. When they come to the shore of this fiery lake, they must be thrown in.

When someone says that no one is in hell who doesn’t want to be there, they give the false impression that hell is within the limits of what humans can tolerate. It inevitably gives the impression that hell is less horrible than Jesus says it is.

We should ask: How did Jesus expect his audience to think and feel about the way he spoke of hell? The words he chose were not chosen to soften the horror by being accommodating to cultural sensibilities. He spoke of a “fiery furnace” (Matthew 13:42), and “weeping and gnashing teeth” (Luke 13:28), and “outer darkness” (Matthew 25:30), and “their worm [that] does not die” (Mark 9:48), and “eternal punishment” (Matthew 25:46), and “unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:43), and being “cut in pieces” (Matthew 24:51).

These words are chosen to portray hell as an eternal, conscious experience that no one would or could ever “want” if they knew what they were choosing. Therefore, if someone is going to emphasize that people freely “choose” hell, or that no one is there who doesn’t “want” to be there, surely he should make every effort to clarify that, when they get there, they will not want this.

Surely the pattern of Jesus—who used blazing words to blast the hell-bent blindness out of everyone—should be followed. Surely, we will grope for words that show no one, no one, no one will want to be in hell when they experience what it really is. Surely everyone who desires to save people from hell will not mainly stress that it is “wantable” or “chooseable,” but that it is horrible beyond description—weeping, gnashing teeth, darkness, worm-eaten, fiery, furnace-like, dismembering, eternal, punishment, “an abhorrence to all flesh” (Isaiah 66:24).

I thank God, as a hell-deserving sinner, for Jesus Christ my Savior, who became a curse for me and suffered hellish pain that he might deliver me from the wrath to come. While there is time, he will do that for anyone who turns from sin and treasures him and his work above all.

Trembling before such realities, and trusting Jesus,

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Old 03-18-2017, 03:16 PM   #17
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God has wired me spiritually in thee same way that Odin, Zeus, Marduk, Horus, etc has. Not at all because they don't exist.
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God has wired me spiritually in thee same way that Odin, Zeus, Marduk, Horus, etc has. Not at all because they don't exist.
You know God exists because He created it in you as much as you would like to deny it. Read my post # 16 if you haven't already. You will always have that uneasiness in the pit of your soul always asking yourself "what if there is a God"? That comes from God creating that in you my friend.
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You know God exists because He created it in you as much as you would like to deny it. Read my post # 16 if you haven't already. You will always have that uneasiness in the pit of your soul always asking yourself "what if there is a God"? That comes from God creating that in you my friend.
Souls don't exist either.

If your supposition is right: that God exists, then that entity is completely unworthy of worship.
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28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.
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Souls don't exist either.
So our conscious comes from non-created physical matter that has always existed that somehow evolved from "Goo to You via the Zoo". Takes more faith to believe in "naturalism" than a Creator my friend.

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If your supposition is right: that God exists, then that entity is completely unworthy of worship.
"If" huh? You prove my point about that nagging question. But let's get to the real crux which is your bitter heart when you say, "completely unworthy of worship" or are those your favorite atheists words you read that you parrot?

You now have just set a moral standard because IF as you say my entity exists and He is not worthy of worship, why in the world would you care as a ''naturalist' and say something like that to begin with if all we are is a carbon atom? As an atheist you are hypocritical if you acknowledge "good and evil" because now you have just set a moral absolute standard when in reality to an atheist there are no moral absolutes because "morality must always be relative to an atheist" When morality becomes "relative" essentially there is 'no morality' is my point.

"Knowledge without absolute rules is very very dangerous". And there is the rub, whose rules? Man's rules? Or a transcendent perfect creator's rules? If you say Man's rules then those rules are like moving the goal posts at all times for moral convenience. But if you say a "transcendent perfect creator's rules" then there are "absolutes" and why man cannot govern himself and why even our Founding Fathers' knew this and the brilliance of using Biblical principles in crafting the Bill of Rights, Constitution, Legal system......"checks and balances" because there is a God and He created the perfect morality in Jesus and we all will be held accountable to Him in the end.

Whether you realize it or not you atheists steal from God when it is convenient.


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[QUOTE=Chiefshrink;12788654]So our conscious comes from non-created physical matter that has always existed that somehow evolved from "Goo to You via the Zoo". Takes more faith to believe in "naturalism" than a Creator my friend.

1For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.




"If" huh? You prove my point about that nagging question. But let's get to the real crux which is your bitter heart when you say, "completely unworthy of worship" or are those your favorite atheists words you read that you parrot?

You now have just set a moral standard because IF as you say my entity exists and He is not worthy of worship, why in the world would you care as a ''naturalist' and say something like that to begin with if all we are is a carbon atom? As an atheist you are hypocritical if you acknowledge "good and evil" because now you have just set a moral absolute standard when in reality to an atheist there are no moral absolutes because "morality must always be relative to an atheist" When morality becomes "relative" essentially there is 'no morality' is my point.

"Knowledge without absolute rules is very very dangerous". And there is the rub, whose rules? Man's rules? Or a transcendent perfect creator's rules? If you say Man's rules then those rules are like moving the goal posts at all times for moral convenience. But if you say a "transcendent perfect creator's rules" then there are "absolutes" and why man cannot govern himself and why even our Founding Fathers' knew this and the brilliance of using Biblical principles in crafting the Bill of Rights, Constitution, Legal system......"checks and balances" because there is a God and He created the perfect morality in Jesus and we all will be held accountable to Him in the end.

Whether you realize it or not you atheists steal from God when it is convenient.




Absolute morality is bulls#$t. One can be moral without excepting extraordinary supernatural claims without evidence. There is no evidence for your invisible friend. I don't have to lean on the machinations of highly superstitious people from Bronze-age Palestine to construct a morality.
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Yes they do. It's you. Your personality, your being, your awareness, your consciousness. Those things aren't physical—they're spiritual.
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[QUOTE=Chiefshrink;12788654]So our conscious comes from non-created physical matter that has always existed that somehow evolved from "Goo to You via the Zoo". Takes more faith to believe in "naturalism" than a Creator my friend.

1For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.




"If" huh? You prove my point about that nagging question. But let's get to the real crux which is your bitter heart when you say, "completely unworthy of worship" or are those your favorite atheists words you read that you parrot?

You now have just set a moral standard because IF as you say my entity exists and He is not worthy of worship, why in the world would you care as a ''naturalist' and say something like that to begin with if all we are is a carbon atom? As an atheist you are hypocritical if you acknowledge "good and evil" because now you have just set a moral absolute standard when in reality to an atheist there are no moral absolutes because "morality must always be relative to an atheist" When morality becomes "relative" essentially there is 'no morality' is my point.

"Knowledge without absolute rules is very very dangerous". And there is the rub, whose rules? Man's rules? Or a transcendent perfect creator's rules? If you say Man's rules then those rules are like moving the goal posts at all times for moral convenience. But if you say a "transcendent perfect creator's rules" then there are "absolutes" and why man cannot govern himself and why even our Founding Fathers' knew this and the brilliance of using Biblical principles in crafting the Bill of Rights, Constitution, Legal system......"checks and balances" because there is a God and He created the perfect morality in Jesus and we all will be held accountable to Him in the end.

Whether you realize it or not you atheists steal from God when it is convenient.


Is slavery objectively moral?The bible condones and gives instruction for slavery.





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One can be moral without excepting extraordinary supernatural claims without evidence. There is no evidence for your invisible friend.
Who said anything about atheists not being able to act in a moral way ? Of course atheists can act morally but it's their definition of where morality comes from that is hypocritical is what I and Frank Turek are speaking of. Did you watch the Frank Turek youtube I posted to GC ? Watch and listen very closely to what he say's.


Dawkins did a great job in your vid here pivoting away from the question asked of him because he knew where it was going very much like his debate with Lennox who pinned him in the corner(on moral absolutes) and got Dawkins to admit he doesn't believe in evil and that we just dance to our DNA. The questioner was right on the mark.
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