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Old 03-18-2017, 11:35 AM  
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Terez says "the Chiefs have done plenty of background on" Mahomes.

Here's his 1st round mock:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...139261678.html

Watson goes to the Jets. Tribusky to the Browns. Kizer to the Texans.

This is what Terez says about #27:

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27. Kansas City Chiefs

QB Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

The pressure is on Alex Smith to deliver, and while he is indeed their quarterback for 2017, the cap-tight Chiefs could save $17 million by releasing him next year. They could also create some cap room by extending him, but the point is, his future will likely be determined by how he fares this season.

That said, someone like Mahomes — who ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay recently called a cross between Brett Favre and Johnny Manziel — could be tempting to the Chiefs, who have done plenty of background work on him. He’s a gunslinger with a cannon for an arm and plus intangibles, but he’s very raw and will likely need at least a year to get accustomed to the lengthy verbiage in coach Andy Reid’s playbook. Mahomes has never had to call lengthy plays with regularity, and that’s something all quarterbacks have to do in Kansas City. The good news is that Reid is very good at scheming up concepts for his quarterbacks, so they often make predetermined reads, and with Mahomes’ arm and willingness to chuck it deep, he could potentially open up the playbook in a way Chiefs fans haven’t seen consistently.

By the way, one other bonus to selecting a quarterback early — he’ll be very cheap for the next five years. For a team that has been tight against the cap for the last several years, that would be a boon.

Of course, other teams watch tape, too, and there’s a chance none of the top four quarterbacks — Mahomes, Kizer, Trubisky and Watson — will be here, especially if Arizona takes a quarterback at No. 13. And if the top four quarterbacks are off the board, the Chiefs might be best served trading down or taking the best player available and perhaps addressing quarterback in one of the next two rounds with the likes of Pittsburgh’s Nathan Peterman, Cal’s Davis Webb, Tennessee’s Josh Dobbs or Miami’s Brad Kaaya.

But let’s say they keep the pick. Possible options include a defensive tackle like Florida’s Caleb Brantley or a cornerback like Washington’s Kevin King, Florida’s Quincy Wilson and Southern California’s Adoree’ Jackson (the Chiefs met with the latter two at the combine, by the way).

I also gave some serious thought here to Stanford’s Christian McCaffrey, because the Chiefs could use a dynamic home-run hitting back after the release of Jamaal Charles. McCaffrey was one of the combine’s top testers at his position and offers unique versatility as a runner and receiver. Still, I just can’t pick him to the Chiefs in the first, because — fun tidbit — Reid and Dorsey have never selected a running back in the first round. Not once, even dating back to the Green Bay and Philadelphia days. So if they did take him this high, they’d be bucking their trend.
Who would you take? Who would you take if no QB was on the board?
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:46 AM   #2
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Who would you take if no QB was on the board?
I'd trade my 1 for a 1 next year to have the ammo needed to grab a QB next year. Grab fatties and a LB this year would probably be my biggest focus for the later rounds. You can find a decent RB somewhere as well.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:55 AM   #3
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I'd trade my 1 for a 1 next year to have the ammo needed to grab a QB next year. Grab fatties and a LB this year would probably be my biggest focus for the later rounds. You can find a decent RB somewhere as well.
Not a bad idea. Cleveland wants draft picks ,give them our 1st this year and 2nd next year for their 2018 1st which will be a top 5 pick.
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:25 PM   #4
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If the QBs are gone, I'm going with TJ Watt.

It's the next highest position of importance, we desperately need a real 3rd OLB given that Hali is not in any way a dependable option now and definitely not in the future, and Watt just screams like the kind of player who can instantly contribute and help a team in his rookie year.

Is there another non-QB player who would give us that kind of flexibility and strength in both the long and short term?

Besides, there will be some damn good ILBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If Foster and Reddick are both gone, I'd rather not spend a 1st rounder on McMillan or Davis if I can get a pass rusher like Watt instead.
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:35 PM   #5
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It depends on how they feel about the other QB's.

I think we have 2 choices:

1. Draft TJ Watt or some other pass rusher.
2. Trade down and take the 2nd QB they have high on their board (IMO Peterman).
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:39 PM   #6
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:01 PM   #7
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I'd trade my 1 for a 1 next year to have the ammo needed to grab a QB next year. Grab fatties and a LB this year would probably be my biggest focus for the later rounds. You can find a decent RB somewhere as well.
That sounds absolutely retarded.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:00 PM   #8
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That sounds absolutely retarded.
No not at all, especially if the players they are interested in are gone. Instead of trading back I would just as soon move it to a team in the middle wanting to move up for their 1st in 2018.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:16 PM   #9
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I'd trade a first this year for a 3rd or something this year and a 1st next year if it was a team currently picking top 10-ish.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:12 PM   #10
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No not at all, especially if the players they are interested in are gone. Instead of trading back I would just as soon move it to a team in the middle wanting to move up for their 1st in 2018.
Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.

This is a deep draft so there's going to be many players on the board.

Or is this the part where people think they can just easily wheel and deal for this mythical 2018 class? If this 18 class lives up to the chuckle****s hopes, it'll take a draft package that this ****ing franchise will never, ever part with.

I mean **** they were going gay for Paxton Lynch and couldn't be assed to part with a mixed bag of mid-rounders to secure him. What the **** makes people think John Dorsey will pay several high choices instead?
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:00 PM   #11
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Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.

This is a deep draft so there's going to be many players on the board.

Or is this the part where people think they can just easily wheel and deal for this mythical 2018 class? If this 18 class lives up to the chuckle****s hopes, it'll take a draft package that this ****ing franchise will never, ever part with.

I mean **** they were going gay for Paxton Lynch and couldn't be assed to part with a mixed bag of mid-rounders to secure him. What the **** makes people think John Dorsey will pay several high choices instead?
It depends on how you look at it. If a team tries to trade up it takes more future picks than current picks. So maybe we get a little boot in the deal, but if not then when it comes to next year and we need the ammo to move up we would have already paid that in a sense and we would not have to lose that on a future pick which would give us an advantage over the other teams that only have 1 pick in the 1st round.
We could pay part of that price now instead of waiting for the years after we have our QB and be able to surround him with the weapons and pieces we need.

They were not "gay for Paxton Lynch", that is some ridiculous shit.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:20 PM   #12
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I'd trade a first this year for a 3rd or something this year and a 1st next year if it was a team currently picking top 10-ish.
No question I'd do that, but I'd rather try to get a second back this year by giving up this years first and fourth for next years first and a second this year.

Maybe throw in Allen Bailey as a sweetener.
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No question I'd do that, but I'd rather try to get a second back this year by giving up this years first and fourth for next years first and a second this year.

Maybe throw in Allen Bailey as a sweetener.
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It depends on how you look at it. If a team tries to trade up it takes more future picks than current picks. So maybe we get a little boot in the deal, but if not then when it comes to next year and we need the ammo to move up we would have already paid that in a sense and we would not have to lose that on a future pick which would give us an advantage over the other teams that only have 1 pick in the 1st round.
We could pay part of that price now instead of waiting for the years after we have our QB and be able to surround him with the weapons and pieces we need.

They were not "gay for Paxton Lynch", that is some ridiculous shit.
Whether we get the ammo now or later, here's the bottom line of what you're proposing.

The draft order will come out in 2018. The comp picks will be announced. And the Chiefs will need to pay a handsome price to jump up and grab Mr. Magic Butt**** in teh b3stest QB class evar!

Let's say they add an additional draft pick in the mid teens to go along with their late 20s draft pick they were awarded.

Are you ready for a Ricky Williams-like trade up to get Mr. Magic Butthole? Because that's what it's going to cost.

It's going to cost what the Redskins paid to get RGIII and probably worse.

Are you saying that the franchise, GM, and coach that is too ****ing scared to spend a late 1st rounder on Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater is going to take THAT big of a risk?

Jesus ****, I want a 1st round QB in KC more than most people, and not even I'M that desperate!
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Yeah, it really is.

To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****.
Swapping a 2nd for a next year firs happens but it's pretty rare and I don't think you see it when you have a late 2nd like ours. Of course I'd do that if we could and of course I'd try something with additional picks, etc. The main point is we have a low 1st round pick so likeliness of getting a higher selection next year is pretty damn good. If we don't get a QB we believe in this year and we've got a pretty deep team, transfer that value to next year so we can actually make the move we need to make. Nothing trumps getting your franchise QB. My primary focus is securing a franchise QB, first and foremost. Getting the ammo now simply gives you more options.
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