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Old 03-19-2017, 10:00 PM  
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Germany rejects Trump's claim it owes NATO and U.S. 'vast sums' for defense

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...ource=facebook

German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen on Sunday rejected U.S. President Donald Trump's claim that Germany owes NATO and the United States "vast sums" of money for defense.

"There is no debt account at NATO," von der Leyen said in a statement, adding that it was wrong to link the alliance's target for members to spend 2 percent of their economic output on defense by 2024 solely to NATO.

"Defense spending also goes into UN peacekeeping missions, into our European missions and into our contribution to the fight against IS terrorism," von der Leyen said.

She said everyone wanted the burden to be shared fairly and for that to happen it was necessary to have a "modern security concept" that included a modern NATO but also a European defense union and investment in the United Nations.

Trump said on Twitter on Saturday - a day after meeting German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Washington - that Germany "owes vast sums of money to NATO & the United States must be paid more for the powerful, and very expensive, defense it provides to Germany!"

Trump has urged Germany and other NATO members to accelerate efforts to meet NATO's defense spending target.

German defense spending is set to rise by 1.4 billion euros to 38.5 billion euros in 2018 - a figure that is projected to represent 1.26 percent of economic output, Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has said.

In 2016, Germany's defense spending ratio stood at 1.18 percent.

During her trip to Washington, Merkel reiterated Germany's commitment to the 2 percent military spending goal.

(Reporting by Andreas Rinke; writing by Michelle Martin; editing by Jason Neely)
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:18 PM   #46
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I don't care how much others spend, I'm sorry if that bothers you. That being said, I think we should recoup some from some others.

What's my goal? If you have to ask that, if it's really a question, how can you say it makes zero sense? You're an idiot, that's clear, and there's zero debate about that.

As for your last part, well let me refer to the part where I called you an idiot, and double down on it.
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I'm also not moved by comparison to how much others spend. The United States occupies a unique place of leadership in the world and through our prosperity, we have been able to provide a presence that brings security and safety to the world that would not be there if the United States weren't around to help maintain order. We haven't always gotten everything right, but the world needs a benevolent nation with a big stick to wield more than ever.
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Damn tired of hearing about what we spend compared to other nations, what they do has no bearing on what America should do

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Old 03-20-2017, 07:37 PM   #47
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:49 PM   #48
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The United States wouldn't have to spend as much if our "friends" carried their own water.


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Old 03-20-2017, 07:59 PM   #49
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It is definitely time for others to offer-up more.
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The silver lining of being involved in wars for the past decade and a half is that we have developed a lot of warfighting experience. The downside, aside from the obvious human toll, is that we've worn down our equipment and that we've focused our spending on immediate needs instead of developing for the future.

Meanwhile, our most capable adversaries have been studying our warfighting weaknesses, closing the technology gap and investing in emerging capabilities like cyber and space warfare.

Now is not the time to continue shaving the defense budget for deficit reduction bailout money. The President's stake in the sand seems reasonable as a top level number. My understanding is that it's not that much more than what Obama was requesting. This needs to be a multi-year rebuild program though.
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You do understand that China's actual DoD spend is much higher than the reported figures?

Of course. Everyone does, which is why nobody pays any attention to their reported figures. But the best estimates of their actual spend put them at a third or so of US expenditures. Of course, their expenditures can go further than ours -- lower human capital costs, etc., but nowhere near enough to match ours.

FFS they don't even have a real blue water navy...
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