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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 11-15-2016, 02:21 PM   #136
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What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62



The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.


The top 6? Fred Lynn, McGwire, Dusty Baker, Alvin Davis, Bagwell, Kris Bryant, so the point here seems pretty obv
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Old 11-15-2016, 02:23 PM   #137
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What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62



The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.
Meh, he was pretty great at the beginning but hit a wall over his last two months. It happens for rooks. We'll see how he holds up this year.
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Old 11-15-2016, 06:10 PM   #138
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It's a pretty big leap to call a guy a "clubhouse cancer" just because you don't like the team that offered him $33 million to go play for.

I'm a big fan of Kendrys Morales, but at his age and with the makeup of the Royals team next year, I think it makes perfect sense to let him go. The Royals will have a logjam at third base next year with Moose, Cuthbert and possibly Hunter Dozier, so letting one or two of those guys log some games at DH doesn't sound like a bad idea. I also like the idea of Salvy getting some rest by DH'ing once or twice a week.

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Old 11-15-2016, 09:39 PM   #139
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Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:52 PM   #140
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Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol
Reyes/Weaver, Wong, and something else would be a start.
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Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol

Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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Old 11-15-2016, 10:25 PM   #142
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Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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I think the plan might be to have Cutberth and Moose rotate at DH next year.
So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.
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Exactly....would you do Garcia and Wong?

No. I have never been that high on Wong and still am not.

Neither one of those guys is enough of a return for Cain as the primary piece, and they're not enough combined, either.




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Gonna need DJ to chime in on this one.
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So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.
Then you're pretty much committed to only having 8 decent batters... and that's counting Alcides as a decent battery.


The fact nobody uses a 3+ DH platoon means that's its a terrible idea.
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So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.

Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

I think it would mean Cuthbert is the DH 100-110 games, with him getting 30-35 starts at 3B to rest Moustakas, Moustakas getting 20-25 games at DH, and the rest of the DH days being used to give Gordon and Cain a 1/2 day off each week.

That rotating DH plan works a little better if you have a super util guy who's a credible bat. Steve Pearce is not likely to break the bank but could make sense there. Could get 140 games parceled out amongst 1b, 2B, 3b, LF and rf


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