Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 563

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

BWillie · 07-31-2013, 02:43 PM

Can't say it's terrible. I don't know how good Smith will actually be, but I still feel it's a trade that doesn't make any difference either way. Best case scenario is Maxwell could be a darkhorse. It'd be a dream, but would be pretty cool if he developed into a 20 HR, .340 OBP every day player.

SPATCH · 07-31-2013, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can't say it's terrible. I don't know how good Smith will actually be, but I still feel it's a trade that doesn't make any difference either way. Best case scenario is Maxwell could be a darkhorse. It'd be a dream, but would be pretty cool if he developed into a 20 HR, .340 OBP every day player.

This dude is a ****ing shade under 30. Not sure if you realized that...

BWillie · 07-31-2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

This team would be winning pennants if they would have made the move for zombrano

I know your joking but why doesn't this guy have a job? He was even released from the Phillies organization recently after posting a 2.04 ERA in the minors. I don't get it.

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

I bet Dayton Moore is the kind of guy that, when he's at a party, says "Could I have everyone's attention for a moment?" then just farts loudly.

Silly me...to think Dayton gets invited to parties.

He's this guy.

BWillie · 07-31-2013, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

This dude is a ****ing shade under 30. Not sure if you realized that...

Yeah, 29. I don't think he could be that good, but he could be a late bloomer. He hasn't been given a ton of at bats yet in the majors. There are examples out there. But I'm mainly Just dreaming.

Kidd Lex · 07-31-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

That's probably all true. They did hit paydirt with Myers. The Royals wouldn't be above .500 with a Santana/Guthrie/Chen/Mendoza/Hoch rotation. At least I don't think.
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Whats going to really hurt is in 2015 Wil Myers breaking the Royals HR record in a Rays uniform, Shields in a Rangers uniform, and Wade Davies showing up in a mug shot somewhere in Georgia.

Seriously though, of all teams to give up a middle of the order bat...

Maybe we should start a whining over the Myers/Shields trade thread because I need ****ing therapy to get over it, and that may just do the trick but I digress.

DJ's left nut · 07-31-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

This dude is a ****ing shade under 30. Not sure if you realized that...

I did not.

I understand your consternation now.

Suddenly this trade makes a lot less sense to me. Honestly, when I thought he was 25 I figured you guys were getting wound up over nothing. But you're right, he'll be 30 next year and still sucks at getting on base.

Congrats - you fellas just gave up a potential 4th starter for Rick Ankiel. I'm not sure that was a good idea...

siberian khatru · 07-31-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

I know your joking but why doesn't this guy have a job? He was even released from the Phillies organization recently after posting a 2.04 ERA in the minors. I don't get it.

Because he's a psychopath.

Kidd Lex · 07-31-2013, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

I know your joking but why doesn't this guy have a job? He was even released from the Phillies organization recently after posting a 2.04 ERA in the minors. I don't get it.

Wasn't he a head case?

SPATCH · 07-31-2013, 02:56 PM

It's funny how we were all riding high on this winning streak, and then all of the wind was suddenly taken out of our sails when we realized that we really haven't gained much ground in the division and we traded for Justin Maxwell.

Sure-Oz · 07-31-2013, 02:56 PM

Maxwell is gonna be Jose Bautista, book it!

**DeezNutz** · 07-31-2013, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Maxwell is gonna be Jose Bautista, book it!

Royals now collaborating with a new pharmacy? Cool.

tyton75 · 07-31-2013, 02:59 PM

This is nothing to get excited about, but its not a bad guy to add to the team. I don't see how its going to hurt having him when Cain inevitably hits the DL

DJ's left nut · 07-31-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Because he's a psychopath.

Eh, teams will make room for psychopaths that can help them win.

He got released because he walked 10 batters in 19 innings at AAA and put up a WHIP of 1.5.

That's way too many baserunners and his upside at 32 yrs old is gone.

Zambrano's minor league peripheral numbers look a lot like Jeremy Bonderman's did. And as soon as Bonderman faced big league hitters, he got his head handed to him. The Phillies aren't dumb, they know the same thing will happen to Zambrano and at this point he's just a clog in the AAA pipeline.

SPATCH · 07-31-2013, 03:02 PM

Maybe we'll make a trade (through waivers) further down the line if we continue winning?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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SPATCH birth of spatch Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $10006207	Maybe we'll make a trade (through waivers) further down the line if we continue winning?
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