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Old 04-20-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Jeff Sessions is a superstar

Sessions continues to be the highest performing member of the Trump administration, even in the face of significant buffeting from above.

Not only has he initiated key reforms of the DOJ from the ravages and politicization of the Obama years, he also had the courage to do the right thing and recuse himself from the Russia probe, stood up to his boss when he tried to bully him into leaving, and now is doing what he can to try to protect its independence.

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WASHINGTON – Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Donald Trump fired his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the exchange.

Sessions made his position known in a phone call to White House counsel Donald McGahn last weekend, as Trump’s fury at Rosenstein peaked after the deputy attorney general approved the FBI’s raid April 9 on the president’s personal attorney Michael Cohen.

Sessions’s message to the White House, which has not previously been reported, underscores the political firestorm that Trump would invite should he attempt to remove the deputy attorney general. While Trump also has railed against Sessions at times, the protest resignation of an attorney general – which would be likely to incite other departures within the administration – would create a moment of profound crisis for the White House.

In the phone call with McGahn, Sessions wanted details of a meeting Trump and Rosenstein held at the White House on April 12, according to a person with knowledge of the call. Sessions expressed relief to learn that their meeting was largely cordial. Sessions said he would have had to consider leaving as the attorney general had Trump ousted Rosenstein, this person said.

Another person familiar with the exchange said Sessions did not intend to threaten the White House but rather wanted to convey the untenable position that Rosenstein’s firing would put him in.

A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment.

Rosenstein’s status remains uncertain, but the pressure he is facing seemed to subside after last week.

Last summer, when it appeared Trump was going to fire Sessions or pressure him to resign, Republican lawmakers and conservative advocacy groups rallied to Sessions’s side and warned the president not to move against him.

Trump had told senior officials last week that he was considering firing Rosenstein, who was confirmed by the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support last year. Since then, alumni of the Justice Department have rallied to Rosenstein’s defense.

As of Friday afternoon, more than 800 former Justice Department employees had signed an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump were to fire the deputy attorney general, special counsel Robert Mueller or other senior Justice Department officials. The group MoveOn.org has sought to organize nationwide protests if such an event were to occur.

Rosenstein, on behalf of the Justice Department, is set to argue a sentencing case, Chavez-Meza v. United States, before the Supreme Court on Monday. Appearing before the high court has long been a professional goal, people close to Rosenstein say.

A senior administration official said Sessions does not like the way Rosenstein has been treated by the president and had expressed such concerns for months. He has regularly sought guidance from the White House about Rosenstein’s standing with the president and asked about his interactions with Trump, this official said.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/...departure-too/
Cheers for the most successful member of the Trump admin thus far.
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:42 PM   #121
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I should add: PB leaving the Trump movement doesn’t make me happy or restore faith because he left the Trump movement. It’s because someone on CP evidently admitted to being wrong and changed their mind. The fact that it invokes Trump and politics is secondary
I only mentioned him because despite all the rancor and acerbicism he used to express himself, he was the face of the thinking Trump faction here. He may have been aggressive and combative, but in the end he proved that his support was issue-based and that it was not unconditional. Would that we all would separate ourselves from politicians who turn out to be liars, fools, inept, corrupt, etc. and stop voting for them.
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:46 PM   #122
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"This isn't about race/tribalism..."
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:51 PM   #123
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I was actually very surprised by PB turning on Trump. He went full 'whataboutism' in every thread and didn't seem to have any principles that I could see. I thought some of these other guys would turn on Trump well before he did.
There's a process by which people come to accept things. At first denial, then anger and argumentation, then sometimes you soldier on hoping things will change, then eventually you give up hope and accept that you were wrong, or at least, that you were decieved. Like most of us, the disaffected Trumpers probably kept it up as long as they could believe it themselves and a little bit longer. It's just a human thing to do.
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:53 PM   #124
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There's a process by which people come to accept things. At first denial, then anger and argumentation, then sometimes you soldier on hoping things will change, then eventually you give up hope and accept that you were wrong, or at least, that you were decieved. Like most of us, the disaffected Trumpers probably kept it up as long as they could believe it themselves and a little bit longer. It's just a human thing to do.
What was the human reason for your name change?
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:54 PM   #125
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:57 PM   #126
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And we're all waiting for you to admit that you are wrong Coshit
I was just ready for a new name.

Wrong about what? Trump winning the 2016 election? Haven't we covered this in great detail a long time ago?
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:15 PM   #128
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There's a process by which people come to accept things. At first denial, then anger and argumentation, then sometimes you soldier on hoping things will change, then eventually you give up hope and accept that you were wrong, or at least, that you were decieved. Like most of us, the disaffected Trumpers probably kept it up as long as they could believe it themselves and a little bit longer. It's just a human thing to do.


...there you go again.
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:45 PM   #130
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Would that we all would separate ourselves from
politicians who turn out to be liars, fools, inept, corrupt, etc. and stop voting for them.
At the primary level, I absolutely agree with that.

In the general election, you have an either/or choice where both might be pretty bad.

But more importantly, more and more politicians are voting strictly on party lines. Which party has control of the House makes a huge difference in the political agenda, for instance. And the 2018 control of the House might be close.

So if one of the two parties' agenda matches more closely your views, I can understand why someone would vote for corrupt politician of party A over a member of party B, who at least seems to be less corrupt.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:27 PM   #131
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Some of you people really think your shit doesnt stink, that you have all the answers

There are an awful lot of genuine conservative Americans who disagree with your faction, and we laugh right back at you... we dont need your approval

Saying that anyone who still supports the president after the last spending bill are sheep, is laughable on its face
I still support the President even after the last spending bill. I just assumed Elaezar wasn't talking about me. I think it probably was the last straw for a lot of the issues people who held their noses and voted for Trump, but I'm an example of at least one who still has some straws left.

Trump makes me nervous. I can see that he enables change that previous Republicans haven't been able to achieve, but at the same time he's doing a lot of good things, he's also doing damage. It's like chemotherapy in that way.
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I still support the President even after the last spending bill. I just assumed Elaezar wasn't talking about me. I think it probably was the last straw for a lot of the issues people who held their noses and voted for Trump, but I'm an example of at least one who still has some straws left.

Trump makes me nervous. I can see that he enables change that previous Republicans haven't been able to achieve, but at the same time he's doing a lot of good things, he's also doing damage. It's like chemotherapy in that way.
What damage, bulldozing a abandoned and gutted house that burnt 15 years ago?
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What damage, bulldozing a abandoned and gutted house that burnt 15 years ago?
Politically, he seems to be driving suburban, white women away from the party, for example.

He's also empowering the populists in the party and that's usually a recipe for bad economics and liberalism in the long run. He's encouraging a grievance-driven form of politics and he's showing that a less classy form of debate is effective.
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Here’s Why Jeff Sessions Might Be Playing 4-D Chess
By Larry Schweikart - Apr 25, 2018

In January 2017, right before the inauguration, I was in Trump Tower with Steve Bannon.

“What about Hillary?” I asked. “You gonna prosecute her?”

He waved me off. “That’s Sessions’ deal.”

On March 2, Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from “any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for President of the United States.” Everyone forgot the line that followed: “This announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation,” he added. But what he did not say was that the announcement should not be interpreted as denial of the existence of any such investigation.”

The Swamp—and virtually all of the hysterical right that was conditioned to being stabbed in the back by its elected or appointed officials—merely assumed that no investigation was going on.

Surprise. In fact, Sessions inherited an ongoing investigation by the Inspector General Michael Horowitz. There was an investigation under way (perhaps many) at the very moment Sessions uttered those words. Horowitz had been, in the words of Arlo Guthrie, “oppressed, suppressed, repressed sitting on the Group W bench.” His legitimate investigations under the Obama regime had been squelched, sidetracked, or unceremoniously cancelled. Horowitz was one of those rare Washington creatures: a man who actually has a sense of honesty in his mission.

From the first moments in the administration, Jeff Sessions knew what he had in Horowitz. It’s not clear exactly when the plan came to Sessions, but clearly it was before his recusal. Both Trump and Sessions after the election had been shocked to see the level of hostility by the left to a duly constituted American election. Sessions personally found people he formerly though of as friends in the Senate accusing him of the most vile attitudes. He was painted as the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan—an organization he had crushed as Attorney General in Alabama. Trump had already told Rush Limbaugh he was shocked at the level of vitriol that remained by January, but had now understood it would not evaporate quickly. If it took Sessions any longer, it’s doubtful once his confirmation hearings concluded that he was under any illusions as to the enemy he faced.

Certainly such a foe would not permit a legitimate investigation of the past administration’s crimes by the Attorney General of the new administration. Yet investigated they must be. There was too much rampant criminality on display: the Clinton e-mails, the U1 scandal, the Clinton Foundation’s “pay for play” structure; the reports—as yet unproven—of “Deep State” resistance to the administration within the FBI and the Department of Justice. Sessions could not ignore these illegalities. At the same time, politically he could not prosecute them. He, not the real culprits, would become the object of the opposition’s legal, legislative, and propaganda efforts.

In short, Sessions could not personally lead the attack on the Swamp, nor could he ignore the criminality. He needed to be seen as doing nothing—prosecuting the “dark web,” or Medicare fraud, or MS-13—while someone else did the heavy lifting. His solution was elegant in design, brilliant in conception. If he could not investigate, he certainly would be obligated to follow through on demands from other legitimate sources—the Inspector General or Congress—who discovered criminal behavior and demanded action. Much of this was handled by his #2, Rod Rosenstein, who quietly in mid 2017 initiated separate investigations of the U1 scandal and Hillary’s e-mails. Rosenstein also picked up and continued an ongoing FBI investigation of the Clinton Family Foundation, supporting it with offices in Los Angeles, New York, D.C., and Little Rock.

Throughout 2017, Sessions cleverly and effectively maintained the illusion of doing nothing when it came to bringing cases against the prime elements of the Deep State. At the same time, the Special Counsel Robert Mueller was—in some eyes—running rampant, issuing indictments for Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort. The dichotomy was more than many conservatives could take: here was Flynn, a highly decorated soldier, pleading guilty to a lie that even the FBI investigators at the time concluded was not a lie, while people such as Tony Podesta, Andrew McCabe, and others not only walked free but seemed to prosper.

Then came early 2018, and the real design of the Sessions counter-coup begam to leak out, often from Sessions himself in the context of replying to Congressional queries. First, it was revealed there was an investigation of Hillary’s e-mails that had been going on “for months.” Next, in January Sessions announced that Cody Hiland was appointed prosecutor of the Clinton Family Foundation in Little Rock. (Notice that a grand jury was empaneled there also appeared, but so far it is not clear if Hiland himself empaneled that grand jury, if it was a routine grand jury for the district, or if Hiland “re-purposed” the grand jury.

In short order, it was then revealed—again in a response to Congress—that there was an ongoing investigation into the U1 scandal. It was later revealed by Sessions that there not only was a prosecutor looking into the various illegalities that Horowitz was uncovering (which obviously Sessions knew about) but that Sessions named the prosecutor (John Huber) and it was later leaked that Huber had empaneled a grand jury. And that the investigation that Huber took over had been going on . . . “for months.”

By that time, it was clear to all but the most obtuse that Sessions had been silently setting up three separate investigations in late 2017 and was using the opportunity of Congressional requests to make them public. There were other DOJ investigations too into the Clinton/DNC machine, including an FEC violation (that the Federal Elections Commission itself) was investigating.

But the real fireworks were just beginning. Based on the interplay between the House Intelligence Committee (which had its own ongoing investigation of Democrat crimes in the election), Senator Charles Grasssley of the Senate Judiciary Committee (ditto), Cong. Bob Goodlatte of the House Judiciary Committee, and Senator Ron Johnson of the Senate Oversight Committee and the Inspector General, who fulfilled Congress’s request for documents, Sessions presented the image of being out of touch. No documents were released to Congress until there had been a very public and very contentious debate.

That was by design. Sessions’ strategy all along had been to investigate in the background, but force either Congress or Horowitz to the forefront as the origination of the requests.
“Well, you know, we’re just sittin’ over here at Justice drinkin’ our mint juleps when these guys request all these documents.” Oh, and by the way, Sessions would add, here you go and we have many more you might want to see.

From early 2017, Jeff Sessions realized that he was engaged in both a legal/criminal battle and a public relations fight. He could never succeed in the former without simultaneously winning the latter. And for the PR offensive to work, Sessions could not be perceived as leading the charge or being aggressive. It worked out better than Sessions could have dreamed. As the DOJ received a criminal referral for Andrew McCabe in April 2018, James Comey—one of the most arrogant men ever to hold any office—released his book that had information in it that again prodded Congress to demand his private memos. Once again, after a public standoff, Sessions relented and handed over Comey’s memos, which incriminated him through his leaking of classified materials. Sessions had gotten McCabe and Comey to build their own gallows.

Meanwhile, Robert Mueller sits in a gilded cage, sequestering his leftist charges so they can minimal no harm, running from the Deutschbank to the Seychilles to porn stars. To an unbiased observer, he would look like someone wanting to fail.

The coup de grace appears to be close. Rudy Giuliani has joned Trump’s legal team. It’s worth noting he is a prosecutor, not a defense attorney. The “big” Inspector General report is scheduled for release by May 15, with yet another IG report specifically on the FISA abuse to be delivered at a future date not yet stipulated. Slowly but surely Sessions has maneuvered every piece on the board to indict virtually every one of the Deep State up to and including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Will he? It’s played out the way he intended for two years. My money is on Jeff.


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