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Old 03-30-2018, 02:15 PM  
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So, does Hell exist?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ell-does-exist

Pope To World: Hell Does Exist

Things got a little heated at the Vatican this week when an Italian journalist reported that Pope Francis denied the existence of hell.

Apparently, the fiery 93-year-old avowed atheist reporter, Eugenio Scalfari of La Repubblica, set the social-media world aflame after writing in Italian that when asked about the fate of "bad souls," the pontiff responded, "Hell does not exist."

The pope continued, according to Scalfari, saying (emphasis ours), "The disappearance of sinful souls exists."

The statements spurred Catholics and other believers to grab their virtual pitchforks to express their fury, which the Vatican has since tried to cool.

The Vatican adamantly rejected Scalfari's characterization of the conversation, which it insisted was not an official interview but rather a "private meeting."

On Friday — Good Friday — the Vatican issued a statement saying:

"What is reported by the author in today's article is the fruit of his reconstruction, in which the precise words uttered by the Pope are not cited. No quotations in the aforementioned article, then, should be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father."

And an article by the Catholic News Service claimed Scalfari has admitted "on more than one occasion" that he doesn't take notes or record his conversations with the pope. In other words, he prefers to take, let's say, a memoirist approach to his reporting. He relies largely on memory and recollection, as opposed to documentation.

The news outlet also reminded readers that this is a favored subject of Scalfari's. It reported the journalist wrote a similar article in 2014, so this is a ... resurrection, of sorts.

It wrote:

"According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 'immediately after death, the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, 'eternal fire.'

" 'The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs,' the catechism says."

As a final bit of proof that Pope Francis truly holds the belief that hell is real, the religious news outlet offered this bit of fire and brimstone bit of advice: "Convert, there is still time for not ending up in hell. It is what is waiting for you if you continue on this path."

Easter — the day Christians celebrate Jesus' Resurrection — is on Sunday.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:56 AM   #32
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It's all about Jesus. Either He is God or He is not. All the evidence say's He is God. If Jesus is God and I believe Him to be so. And He talked of Hell then you better take heed to what He said.

Just "knowing about" Jesus(just an intellectual understanding)is very different than "knowing Jesus"(an actual personal relationship with Him in which He is Lord and Savior of your life) and why He said in Matthew 7:21-23 -

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21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.

Many believe they are saved but are really not. Jesus say's the majority of people are going to hell. As the ol saying goes, "Hell will be full of those with good intentions". Read Jesus's words here Matt 7:13-14 -

13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.


Either Jesus lives in your heart through the power of the Holy Spirit or He does not. At death if the Holy Spirit does not reside in your heart then your destination is Hell for all eternity with no 2nd chances. You will not be able to be your own lawyer on judgement day because you will not be given the chance because you are without perfection living in your soul. That perfection is Jesus being lived out in your life through the power of the Holy Spirit. We are infected with the sin virus and apart from Jesus all the good works in the world will do no good because those good works are from your sinful flesh apart from Christ which will be rejected.

Essentially what you are saying to God the Father is " I don't need your Son's death" I can cleanse myself in my own good works apart from your Son". But in reality what Jesus is telling all of us is we cannot cleanse ourselves in our own good works because of our sin virus. We must give our lives to Him so that God the Father sees Jesus living in our heart thus He sees 'perfection' living in us thus we are accepted in His presence and into the Kingdom.

God the Father cannot be in the presence of sin and why you will not get the opportunity to be your own lawyer IF you have not accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. However, if you acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and believe in Him and that He was sacrificed on the cross for our sins and He was raised from the dead and confess your sins and repent and truly give your life to Him living for Him for the rest of your life through the power of the Holy Spirit then you will be saved.

Here is what Jesus has to say about Hell.

http://blog.adw.org/2013/05/jesus-wh...warning-texts/
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:06 AM   #35
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Materialist progressive atheists (communists and nazis's) have reinvented the definition of hell in the 20th century. Millions starved, killed, experimented on, and exterminated in the name of science.
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Idolaters so all chief's fans?
I get your sense of humor here but in all seriousness, at the time of your death you are either 'idolizing yourself as your own god, living for yourself and actually 'conditionally' loving others because you do not 'know Christ' 'thinking' it is 'unconditional love you are giving' OR you are 'idolizing and living Jesus in your soul and giving His love unconditionally to others' thus losing your life to Jesus in order that you may find true life.

And why your so called 'good works' and so called 'love' you give will be rejected by God because it is done apart from Christ.

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Materialist progressive atheists (communists and nazis's) have reinvented the definition of hell in the 20th century. Millions starved, killed, experimented on, and exterminated in the name of science.
And as much as that was hell on earth, that won't even sniff what real hell for all eternity will be like.
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Wonder if the cardinals regret putting the tiara on Jose's head.
I still wonder why they did it in the first place. It was made to sound like the old pope had one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, yet five years later, Benedict is still alive.

I'm thinking Benedict wasn't pushing the Holy Socialist Agenda hard enough.
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Yes, hell exists. However, is Hell, the vision we have been sold for a thousand years? I don't think so. It's a tad corny - but I believe that we make our own hell.

To me, and me alone, "Hell" is the absence of God's love. But again, that's MY belief.
Thats pretty much my understanding as well, its not some lake of fire... its the absence of Gods love, distance from God
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It's all about Jesus. Either He is God or He is not. All the evidence say's He is God. If Jesus is God and I believe Him to be so. And He talked of Hell then you better take heed to what He said.

Just "knowing about" Jesus(just an intellectual understanding)is very different than "knowing Jesus"(an actual personal relationship with Him in which He is Lord and Savior of your life) and why He said in Matthew 7:21-23 -

True Disciples

21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.

Many believe they are saved but are really not. Jesus say's the majority of people are going to hell. As the ol saying goes, "Hell will be full of those with good intentions". Read Jesus's words here Matt 7:13-14 -

13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.


Either Jesus lives in your heart through the power of the Holy Spirit or He does not. At death if the Holy Spirit does not reside in your heart then your destination is Hell for all eternity with no 2nd chances. You will not be able to be your own lawyer on judgement day because you will not be given the chance because you are without perfection living in your soul. That perfection is Jesus being lived out in your life through the power of the Holy Spirit. We are infected with the sin virus and apart from Jesus all the good works in the world will do no good because those good works are from your sinful flesh apart from Christ which will be rejected.

Essentially what you are saying to God the Father is " I don't need your Son's death" I can cleanse myself in my own good works apart from your Son". But in reality what Jesus is telling all of us is we cannot cleanse ourselves in our own good works because of our sin virus. We must give our lives to Him so that God the Father sees Jesus living in our heart thus He sees 'perfection' living in us thus we are accepted in His presence and into the Kingdom.

God the Father cannot be in the presence of sin and why you will not get the opportunity to be your own lawyer IF you have not accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. However, if you acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and believe in Him and that He was sacrificed on the cross for our sins and He was raised from the dead and confess your sins and repent and truly give your life to Him living for Him for the rest of your life through the power of the Holy Spirit then you will be saved.

Here is what Jesus has to say about Hell.

http://blog.adw.org/2013/05/jesus-wh...warning-texts/

Within your belief system is there still a 'self' in Heaven or is Heaven the absence of 'self'? Is there still a 'self' in Hell or is Hell the absence of 'self'? From my understanding and experiences talking with people about Heaven I would wonder about the existence of 'self' (in Heaven) and how it would mesh with an implied shared consciousness. Not only with other heavenly souls but with other entities that you might encounter. On the other hand I would imagine that in a Hell you would exist in a distinctly solitary state, barring interactions necessary to bring about your eternal punishment.
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It's all about Jesus. Either He is God or He is not. All the evidence say's He is God. If Jesus is God and I believe Him to be so. And He talked of Hell then you better take heed to what He said.

Just "knowing about" Jesus(just an intellectual understanding)is very different than "knowing Jesus"(an actual personal relationship with Him in which He is Lord and Savior of your life) and why He said in Matthew 7:21-23 -

True Disciples

21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.

Many believe they are saved but are really not. Jesus say's the majority of people are going to hell. As the ol saying goes, "Hell will be full of those with good intentions". Read Jesus's words here Matt 7:13-14 -

13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.


Either Jesus lives in your heart through the power of the Holy Spirit or He does not. At death if the Holy Spirit does not reside in your heart then your destination is Hell for all eternity with no 2nd chances. You will not be able to be your own lawyer on judgement day because you will not be given the chance because you are without perfection living in your soul. That perfection is Jesus being lived out in your life through the power of the Holy Spirit. We are infected with the sin virus and apart from Jesus all the good works in the world will do no good because those good works are from your sinful flesh apart from Christ which will be rejected.

Essentially what you are saying to God the Father is " I don't need your Son's death" I can cleanse myself in my own good works apart from your Son". But in reality what Jesus is telling all of us is we cannot cleanse ourselves in our own good works because of our sin virus. We must give our lives to Him so that God the Father sees Jesus living in our heart thus He sees 'perfection' living in us thus we are accepted in His presence and into the Kingdom.

God the Father cannot be in the presence of sin and why you will not get the opportunity to be your own lawyer IF you have not accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. However, if you acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and believe in Him and that He was sacrificed on the cross for our sins and He was raised from the dead and confess your sins and repent and truly give your life to Him living for Him for the rest of your life through the power of the Holy Spirit then you will be saved.

Here is what Jesus has to say about Hell.

http://blog.adw.org/2013/05/jesus-wh...warning-texts/

Outstanding Post - thank you. I never purposely proselytize. However, if someone asks me a question - I'm more than happy to answer them to the best of my ability. I recall, fondly, a discussion, back in my College days at University of Louisville.

A bunch of us were sitting around doing squat (hey, it was the 70s) and the subject of "Heaven and Hell" came up by a young guy that was in "Buddhism". And it was his belief that their was no such place as "hell" - that we make our own "hell" and, while I agreed with him (to an extent) I asked him this: So, you believe in the Ying and the Tang, right? and he says absolutely!!

So then I preceded to ask him - if "Ying" is good and the "Yang" is the opposite, then if we agree that there is a Heaven - how can there NOT be a Hell? Or - for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Without "bad" there can be no "good". Without "Right" there can be no "wrong".

Don't know if I changed his mind - but I think it gave him something to think about...

Happy Easter Everyone! Whether you are a believer or not - enjoy the day!

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