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Old 01-13-2018, 11:31 AM   #46
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:52 AM   #48
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Post 38 should be more than plenty to suffice.
Post 38 is a load of objective morality BS. You have no evidence for your invisible friend so I don't care what you think he wants. That is the problem with fundamentalism. If you are hoisting up a morality that you want to promulgate as being absolute your evidence had better be good.

Also there are parts of your Iron age comic book that contradict your position.

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Old 01-13-2018, 12:09 PM   #49
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Not moral relativity at all. An immoral action is one that violates the rights of another person. It is a stricter morality than your Christian religion as your own holy book justifies the violation of others rights if someone says that God says its okay.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:35 PM   #51
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An immoral action is one that violates the rights of another person. It is a stricter morality
It is ? Tell me more about this so called "stricter morality" a 'morality' that is far superior to Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God of the Holy Bible.


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than your Christian religion as your own holy book justifies the violation of others rights if someone says that God says its okay.
Hey GC ! You have ISIS that has just invaded your neighborhood and they are about to rape, pillage and kill you, your family, your friends, and your way of life and especially who you worship. Does your "stricter morality" allow you to defend yourself ? Or would your 'stricter morality' not allow self defense because well you know it would be an immoral action that would violate ISIS's rights as humans

You see GC, this is what the Israelites were dealing with literally back in the day and literally to this day.

Now the rub becomes whose god/God/worldview is morally pristine and superior. And why atheists(such as yourself) just throw their hands up and say, "see this is why any religion is bad, PERIOD!! I definitely agree 'religion' has killed more people than anything else on this earth. BUT the religion I speak of is not the religion you think in a traditional sense.

Remember, the SCOTUS ruled that "atheism" IS a religion. So if you want to say that 'religion' has killed more people than any other destructive force on this planet then I would agree. Just look at the 20th Cenury alone and the effects of Marxism/Communism(a la Lenin,Stalin,Mao,Hitler,Polpot, etc....)Look at the social, economic, and cultural effects on any society that does not embrace or has discarded the God of the Bible and you will see total moral corruption that leads to ultimate destruction and why everyone around the world flees to our country. BTW our country is definitely heading down that path as well unfortunately.

Ironic thing the other day, I have a neighbor who is a native born Russian who moved here 30yrs ago and he said to me, "Funny how my native country is trying to bring back the God of the Bible and it is starting to flourish again, whereas this country(America) that I fled to for true freedom is trying to kick Him out just like my native country of Russia did over a hundred years ago."

Abraham, Moses, Joshua,David,etc... of the OT were defending themselves, their way of life and the God they served and most importantly from those who drew first blood. You can throw around all the Dawkins,Hinchens,Harris disingenuous, dishonest, mis-leading, straw man arguments against the God of the Holy Bible you want. But the real question that should be answered and answered honestly is , who is Jesus? And if Jesus IS who He said He IS and performed all the miracles and rose from the dead as stated by many eyewitnesses then you better take heed that the Holy Bible IS the Word of God and does not contradict itself. There is no such thing as 2 Gods of the Bible( an OT God/NT God) The Trinity(Father,Son and Holy Spirit-3 persons in one essence) has always existed from the beginning of time.

I trust and believe in the 'omniscience'(all knowing) and sovereign God of the Holy Bible which personally gives me great internal soulful peace. You know this already about me. Because God gave freewill to man to choose who he will serve(either God of the Bible or himself). God also knows because of His omniscience whether or not Israel's foes would ever surrender to the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob. Thus all those OT war stories of where God commands Israel to attack her foes i.e. to self-defense and total annihilation "knew omnisciently" these foes would never stop therefore God allowed them to be destroyed.

Jesus's "moral absolutes" or "man's moral relativity"? Which has shown far more successful over time? You and I will disagree on this answer for sure.

But in reality Jesus wins hands down.
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It is ? Tell me more about this so called "stricter morality" a 'morality' that is far superior to Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God of the Holy Bible.
For one we wouldn't take a whip to people just trying to make a buck.

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Hey GC ! You have ISIS that has just invaded your neighborhood and they are about to rape, pillage and kill you, your family, your friends, and your way of life and especially who you worship. Does your "stricter morality" allow you to defend yourself ? Or would your 'stricter morality' not allow self defense because well you know it would be an immoral action that would violate ISIS's rights as humans
You are confusing absolute pacifism with the Non-Aggression Principle. The NAP says that you may not start a fight but once someone commits aggression towards you you may respond in kind until the threat is dealt with. Invasion is aggression.

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You see GC, this is what the Israelites were dealing with literally back in the day and literally to this day.
They fought wars of expansion and practiced slavery both of which are violations of another's rights.

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Now the rub becomes whose god/God/worldview is morally pristine and superior. And why atheists(such as yourself) just throw their hands up and say, "see this is why any religion is bad, PERIOD!! I definitely agree 'religion' has killed more people than anything else on this earth. BUT the religion I speak of is not the religion you think in a traditional sense.
Religion is just a way people justify their actions and a class skims off society in my opinion but you may think differently.

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Remember, the SCOTUS ruled that "atheism" IS a religion.
The SCOTUS has been wrong in many respects and I believe this is one of them. Not that the 1st Amendment is wrong on atheism but in the fact that if you have a right to do something you also have a right to not do that thing. So if you have a right to practice religion according to your beliefs you also have a right to not practice a religion according to your beliefs.

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So if you want to say that 'religion' has killed more people than any other destructive force on this planet then I would agree. Just look at the 20th Cenury alone and the effects of Marxism/Communism(a la Lenin,Stalin,Mao,Hitler,Polpot, etc....)Look at the social, economic, and cultural effects on any society that does not embrace or has discarded the God of the Bible and you will see total moral corruption that leads to ultimate destruction and why everyone around the world flees to our country. BTW our country is definitely heading down that path as well unfortunately.
Worship of the state and the Cult of Personality is still a religion.

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Ironic thing the other day, I have a neighbor who is a native born Russian who moved here 30yrs ago and he said to me, "Funny how my native country is trying to bring back the God of the Bible and it is starting to flourish again, whereas this country(America) that I fled to for true freedom is trying to kick Him out just like my native country of Russia did over a hundred years ago."
Russia isn't exactly is a state that I would call good. Shrinking population, massive corruption, curtailing of rights, resource based economy, etc.

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Abraham, Moses, Joshua,David,etc... of the OT were defending themselves, their way of life and the God they served and most importantly from those who drew first blood.
The Israelites practiced slavery and wars of expansion. They just justified it saying that god said it was okay.

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You can throw around all the Dawkins,Hinchens,Harris disingenuous, dishonest, mis-leading, straw man arguments against the God of the Holy Bible you want. But the real question that should be answered and answered honestly is , who is Jesus? And if Jesus IS who He said He IS and performed all the miracles and rose from the dead as stated by many eyewitnesses then you better take heed that the Holy Bible IS the Word of God and does not contradict itself. There is no such thing as 2 Gods of the Bible( an OT God/NT God) The Trinity(Father,Son and Holy Spirit-3 persons in one essence) has always existed from the beginning of time.
Do you believe that God killed the first born of Egypt? If so please explain how that was not murder as the majority of the Egyptian population had nothing at all to do with the Hebrews supposed enslavement, which may not actually have existed at all at least as a whole people.

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I trust and believe in the 'omniscience'(all knowing) and sovereign God of the Holy Bible which personally gives me great internal soulful peace. You know this already about me. Because God gave freewill to man to choose who he will serve(either God of the Bible or himself). God also knows because of His omniscience whether or not Israel's foes would ever surrender to the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob. Thus all those OT war stories of where God commands Israel to attack her foes i.e. to self-defense and total annihilation "knew omnisciently" these foes would never stop therefore God allowed them to be destroyed.

Jesus's "moral absolutes" or "man's moral relativity"? Which has shown far more successful over time? You and I will disagree on this answer for sure.

But in reality Jesus wins hands down.

That is nice. Still doesn't mean that smoking pot is a immoral action that needs to be illegal.
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Who cares what he uses it for.

It is more interesting to me why you would care what he uses it for. Should we be asking you what substances you use to self medicate? And should we care if you use them?

And if we should care. Why? What is the affect it has on us with you using them?
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Sure you did.



"Hey what strains are you guys smoking now and who do you identify more with, Bevis or Butthead?

I really don't know the name of the strain I am smoking right now. It was given to me as a blind tester.

And I never watched Bevis and Butthead ever. I don't identify with any of them.

What is your next general insult to a group of people you have no clue who are?
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It is ? Tell me more about this so called "stricter morality" a 'morality' that is far superior to Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God of the Holy Bible.




Hey GC ! You have ISIS that has just invaded your neighborhood and they are about to rape, pillage and kill you, your family, your friends, and your way of life and especially who you worship. Does your "stricter morality" allow you to defend yourself ? Or would your 'stricter morality' not allow self defense because well you know it would be an immoral action that would violate ISIS's rights as humans

You see GC, this is what the Israelites were dealing with literally back in the day and literally to this day.

Now the rub becomes whose god/God/worldview is morally pristine and superior. And why atheists(such as yourself) just throw their hands up and say, "see this is why any religion is bad, PERIOD!! I definitely agree 'religion' has killed more people than anything else on this earth. BUT the religion I speak of is not the religion you think in a traditional sense.

Remember, the SCOTUS ruled that "atheism" IS a religion. So if you want to say that 'religion' has killed more people than any other destructive force on this planet then I would agree. Just look at the 20th Cenury alone and the effects of Marxism/Communism(a la Lenin,Stalin,Mao,Hitler,Polpot, etc....)Look at the social, economic, and cultural effects on any society that does not embrace or has discarded the God of the Bible and you will see total moral corruption that leads to ultimate destruction and why everyone around the world flees to our country. BTW our country is definitely heading down that path as well unfortunately.

Ironic thing the other day, I have a neighbor who is a native born Russian who moved here 30yrs ago and he said to me, "Funny how my native country is trying to bring back the God of the Bible and it is starting to flourish again, whereas this country(America) that I fled to for true freedom is trying to kick Him out just like my native country of Russia did over a hundred years ago."

Abraham, Moses, Joshua,David,etc... of the OT were defending themselves, their way of life and the God they served and most importantly from those who drew first blood. You can throw around all the Dawkins,Hinchens,Harris disingenuous, dishonest, mis-leading, straw man arguments against the God of the Holy Bible you want. But the real question that should be answered and answered honestly is , who is Jesus? And if Jesus IS who He said He IS and performed all the miracles and rose from the dead as stated by many eyewitnesses then you better take heed that the Holy Bible IS the Word of God and does not contradict itself. There is no such thing as 2 Gods of the Bible( an OT God/NT God) The Trinity(Father,Son and Holy Spirit-3 persons in one essence) has always existed from the beginning of time.

I trust and believe in the 'omniscience'(all knowing) and sovereign God of the Holy Bible which personally gives me great internal soulful peace. You know this already about me. Because God gave freewill to man to choose who he will serve(either God of the Bible or himself). God also knows because of His omniscience whether or not Israel's foes would ever surrender to the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob. Thus all those OT war stories of where God commands Israel to attack her foes i.e. to self-defense and total annihilation "knew omnisciently" these foes would never stop therefore God allowed them to be destroyed.

Jesus's "moral absolutes" or "man's moral relativity"? Which has shown far more successful over time? You and I will disagree on this answer for sure.

But in reality Jesus wins hands down.
Went from asking us if we identified more with Bevis or Butthead to we are going to hell.


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And I never watched Bevis and Butthead ever. I don't identify with any of them.
That is something you need to remedy, especially if you're sitting around getting high
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That is something you need to remedy, especially if you're sitting around getting high
Cannabis isn't something I use to get high.

I guess what I am saying is it may effect me not quite the same as a recreational user.
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Cannabis isn't something I use to get high.

I guess what I am saying is it may effect me not quite the same as a recreational user.
Then whats your medicinal reason?
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