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Old 01-12-2018, 08:15 PM  
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LNBS-Looking at the 2018 Salary Cap

Holy shit what a mess. Here are the top 25 paid players, basically everyone with a cap hit of $1 million plus:



Couple of things stand out here:

-Tamba is gone.
-No way in hell is DJ playing for $10.25 million.
-Dee Ford has no dead money unless his back is ****ed.
-No way should Allen Bailey play for an $8 million cap hit.
-Ron Parker’s value deal is over. $7 million cap hit is way too high for him.
-Revis will be decided in March. Doubt he’s back.
-Dirty Dan is $4.8 million to our cap. Holy shit.

There should be some cuts/restructures coming. I think we might see a lot of new faces on defense next year.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:30 AM   #31
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Holy shit what a mess. Here are the top 25 paid players, basically everyone with a cap hit of $1 million plus:



Couple of things stand out here:

-Tamba is gone.
-No way in hell is DJ playing for $10.25 million.
-Dee Ford has no dead money unless his back is ****ed.
-No way should Allen Bailey play for an $8 million cap hit.
-Ron Parkerís value deal is over. $7 million cap hit is way too high for him.
-Revis will be decided in March. Doubt heís back.
-Dirty Dan is $4.8 million to our cap. Holy shit.

There should be some cuts/restructures coming. I think we might see a lot of new faces on defense next year.
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Cut:
$8.7 million = Ford
$8 million = DJ
$8 million = Hali
$5 million = Parker
$4.5 million = Reavis
$5.95 million = Tardif

Trade:
$17 million = Smith

Cut players = $40.15 Million
Smith = $17 million
Current cap room = $4.8 million

2018 Total cap savings and room = $61.95 Million


Plan:
  1. Trade Smith for whatever we can get in draft picks. Use those picks to get the best defensive players available.
  2. Use our cap room to buy the best defensive help available
  3. Use our 2nd rounder on defense
  4. Use our 3rd rounder on the O-line
  5. 4-7 best defense or O-line available
Numbers from:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:32 AM   #32
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Cut our 2nd best OL who is one of the best guards in the league?
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Cut our 2nd best OL who is one of the best guards in the league?
yeah that was a bone head thing. But, l just copied and pasted. The good ideas and the horrible one.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:51 AM   #34
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Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:52 AM   #35
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The good thing is though, they donít really need big ticket free agent on d they need supplemental guys that can bring value

Thatís where you win free agency

We need a defensive FA signing like the Schwartz deal from last offseason in a bad way.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:53 AM   #36
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Whatís Fulton worth? We should probably re-sign him. Not sure Iíd like anything worth over $5m per year though.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:53 AM   #37
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The only thing we have to have on O is a LG and a backup QB. Can Ehinger or Morse step up? If the answer is no, then cut one along with Witzman and use the remaining one for backup (considering you keep Fulton). FA or draft to replace. I'm out on Ford, especially at $8.7M. Horrid against the run and seems to have problems staying on the field. Kpass will be just fine. No one broke down Revis's door last year, so I think we could could do better on a multi-year deal with him, should we decide to keep him. Lock up some of our young studs and spend any remaining $ and draft picks on D. And I'm with Dane, no need to spend everything this year.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:54 AM   #38
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We need a defensive FA signing like the Schwartz deal from last offseason in a bad way.
Malcolm Butler fits that description

We'll see who gets cut loose after the draft, but right now the FA class looks less than stellar
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Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.
Yeah unfortunately youíre right.

I hope we can get 2-3 complimentary players from the mid tier pool that can help us.
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Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.
Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $5-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.
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Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $7-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.
Ford has value, even at $8 million. You're not going to find a guy that cheap that can provide 10 sacks when healthy.

As for Revis, if he'll take $2-3 million for 2018, sign him up. The Chiefs have NO ONE behind Peters. Gaines is awful, who knows what this Keith Reaser is and Mitchell and Acker aren't even average.

Dorsey really ****ed the secondary (and left guard and wide receiver and defensive line and outside linebacker).
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Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $5-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.
I asked the question about a backup QB in another thread and was told that Daniel got $900K for 1 year. I would think a quality backup QB would be more in the $4-5M range.
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Keep in mind that cutting Revis would save $4.5 million. I’m pretty sure if we keep him....he has something like a $10 million dollar guaranteed bonus if he’s on the roster at the start of the new year.
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Ford has value, even at $8 million. You're not going to find a guy that cheap that can provide 10 sacks when healthy.

As for Revis, if he'll take $2-3 million for 2018, sign him up. The Chiefs have NO ONE behind Peters. Gaines is awful, who knows what this Keith Reaser is and Mitchell and Acker aren't even average.

Dorsey really ****ed the secondary (and left guard and wide receiver and defensive line and outside linebacker).
Reavis has bonus money due him if he's on the roster. Millions. He gives that up and wants to work $2-3 million, that works for me.

Ford has never done shit. He's always hurt. No confidence in him whatsoever. I'd rather use that money on Lawrence or Gillette.
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Yeah unfortunately youíre right.

I hope we can get 2-3 complimentary players from the mid tier pool that can help us.
I'd like to see the Chiefs go all out and get the left guard from the Panthers, All Pro Andrew Norwell and bring back a guy like Bradley McDougald.

There's really not much in terms of defensive tackles, maybe a guy like Daquan Jones as a 5 tech rotation and again, there's just not much at OLB. I guess you could roll the dice on a guy like Trent Murphy but who knows how well he'll perform after missing the year with a torn ACL and is he even ready for Training Camp (I doubt it).

I think the Chiefs bring back Wilson and pretty much stand pat with their receiving corp. Chesson and Kemp should make pretty big leaps this offseason, as should Robinson.

I don't know enough about the available cornerbacks but there's no way I'd give out a huge $13 million per year deal to a Malcom Butler or Trumaine Johnson when Marcus Peters is younger and better, looking at a contract year soon.
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