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Old 04-27-2009, 09:55 AM  
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Rumors on the Chiefs, trading down, and Mark Sanchez...
This is sure to stir up a hornets nest - it's really going to piss off the pro-Sanchez crowd. But it's also interesting information so I thought I would share. FWIW, these two rumors are somewhat contradictory, so who knows what's actually true.

The Jets reportedly called EVERY team in the top 5 except Detroit. That means they called us, so the idea that we had no chance to trade out is false if the rumor is to be believed. What it comes down to, apparently, is that we didn't want what was being offered (apparently Pioli doesn't like Kenyon Coleman as much as Mangini or something) and we also were INTENT on taking Tyson Jackson and didn't feel he'd be there at #17.

Another rumor suggests that the Chiefs never recieved any calls, nor did the Rams or Seahawks. Apparently nobody in the NFL believed that any of those 3 teams would take Sanchez, so they weren't playing poker with us. Apparently, the feeling around the league is that Cassel is cemented as the starter and any feelers we put out about Sanchez were insincere. So if this rumor is to be believed, we never had any intention of drafting Sanchez and the entire league knew it. If true, Pioli truly did undermine his ability to trade down the second he acquired Cassel.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:57 AM   #2
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For what the Browns received in compensation, I'm glad we didn't trade down. They got robbed.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:57 AM   #3
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I think he more underminded it when he gave Cassel a long term contract
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:58 AM   #4
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:58 AM   #5
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There wasn't a good enough deal to trade down, whats the point?
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:59 AM   #7
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If true, Pioli truly did undermine his ability to trade down the second he acquired Cassel.
There's no question that this is true.

But obviously Pioli doesn't view it negatively, since Cassel is the player he coveted.

Fine. He just better be right.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:00 AM   #8
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I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I think we entertained the idea of trading, but weren't offered enough to lose out on our target, Tyson Jackson.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:02 AM   #9
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I think we entertained the idea of trading, but weren't offered enough to lose out on our target, Tyson Jackson.
That's my guess.

His comment in the press conference was something along the lines of "we didn't get any calls towards the end", which made me think that they did receive calls, but nothing serious.

Jackson was their guy. They got their guy. Hope he's good.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:03 AM   #10
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If Pioli had traded down for what Cleveland got, he'd have a lot more than just Mecca ripping on him here.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:03 AM   #11
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I see nothing objectionable. We surely hurt our trade-down chances by landing our QBOTF by trading for him before, but that's just the nature of the business. Certainly not objectionable.

And I noted that during the PC, Pioli said that "towards the end" (paraphrase) no one called.

I assumed he was saying in the last 5 minutes of the pick. That's not the same thing as no one ever calling.
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This is sure to stir up a hornets nest - it's really going to piss off the pro-Sanchez crowd. But it's also interesting information so I thought I would share. FWIW, these two rumors are somewhat contradictory, so who knows what's actually true.

The Jets reportedly called EVERY team in the top 5 except Detroit. That means they called us, so the idea that we had no chance to trade out is false if the rumor is to be believed. What it comes down to, apparently, is that we didn't want what was being offered (apparently Pioli doesn't like Kenyon Coleman as much as Mangini or something) and we also were INTENT on taking Tyson Jackson and didn't feel he'd be there at #17.

Another rumor suggests that the Chiefs never recieved any calls, nor did the Rams. Apparently nobody in the NFL believed that either team would take Sanchez, so they weren't playing poker with us. Apparently, the feeling around the league is that Cassel is cemented as the starter and any feelers we put out about Sanchez were insincere. So if this rumor is to be believed, we never had any intention of drafting Sanchez and the entire league knew it. If true, Pioli truly did undermine his ability to trade down the second he acquired Cassel.
Mike Lombardi didn't help with his report of Cassel's alleged contract.
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Mike Lombardi didn't help with his report of Cassel's alleged contract.
When I saw that report, I thought "there goes any trade we might have had, why is Pioli announcing this now?"
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Yep.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:07 AM   #15
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I'd imagine the 2nd rumour is how it played out. I can't see that other NFL teams really thought we were legitimate contenders for Sanchez after we got Cassell. Who else takes QBs in Rd 1 and 2 in the same draft?

Besides, when we got Cassell, was Sanchez really expected to go as high as he did? I don't think Pioli did anything wrong. It was too long ago to really know how 1st day trading leverage was going to play out.

He got the QB he wants and still had the luxury of taking Sanchez if he so chose to cover his ass. I don't care so much about trade leverage. Pick the best players that best suit your needs/system. He did (in his opinion). Cassell and Jackson.
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