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Old 01-17-2013, 10:07 PM  
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:57 PM   #1651
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:58 PM   #1652
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:59 PM   #1653
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Watching film on Joeckel (again). Don't see what others do to grade him as #1 overall player. Arguably not even #1 tackle. Safe pick.

There ISN'T a No. 1 overall player. So just draft the best goddamn QB and be done with it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:34 PM   #1654
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:10 PM   #1658
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I'm taking The Bad Guys advice and just ignoring the ignorant. We're taking a Qb at 1, bank on it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:24 PM   #1659
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Also if anyone is interested Matt miller is making excuse after excuse for geno on twitter when a few other scouts are talking about it

Pretty interesting his takes. Something fishy about him having Joeckel rated so high.


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Fisher so far has highest grade at 8.8. I see Fisher with a higher ceiling. Joeckel has serious strength issues, fellas.
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@FirstRoundGrade Just asking, are you watching 2011 and 2012?
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@nfldraftscout I am. Mostly 2012, but have reviewed some 2011.
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@FirstRoundGrade Watch Joeckel vs SMU (Margus Hunt) if you can. I would be surprised if you still think he has strength issues.
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@nfldraftscout @FirstRoundGrade Did you see him against Florida by any chance? Lerentee McCray beat him w/ strength/power multiple times.
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@TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout I also noted it v. LSU. He got pushed around quite a bit.
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@FirstRoundGrade @TMeltonScouting Getting pushed around is fine if you hold containment.
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@nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting Right, but problem is projecting it to NFL. Pushed around in college COULD = big problems in NFL.
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@FirstRoundGrade @nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting I think he'll get away w/ it b/c of his athleticism - at least in pass pro.
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@JoshLiskiewitz @nfldraftscout @TMeltonScouting And, hey, not many guys are. But #1 talk for OT? I expect a bit more.
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@FirstRoundGrade @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting I just think people are being too picky. Looking at mechanics over results. Results win.
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@JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout I agree. It can be a bit much. Just play. BUT, when talking "#1 pick", man...I need more
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@FirstRoundGrade @TMeltonScouting @nfldraftscout everyone has flaws this year - not every year we get Luck or RGIII, let alone both...
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@nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting Couldn't agree more, Josh. I think it's imp to note that this yr.'s #1 IS a flawed player.

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:29 PM   #1660
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Such as?
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He's scrambling. Even said Luck had flaws coming in. Basically saying those guys critiquing Joeckel so hard are being unfair because his mechanics were bad he got results and that's all that matters. Others guys saying he doesn't have near enough to be the first pick and that Fisher is actually a better LT.

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@nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz @TMeltonScouting Absolutely. Not requiring perfection at all. Just requiring more than what Joeckel displays


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@TMeltonScouting @Ryan_Riddle @nfldraftscout @JoshLiskiewitz But if I'm taking OT at #1? I want scheme diverse, dominant player.
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You mean Joeckel, right?
Ah yes, Joeckel, my fault.


Dude pretty much said picks 1-5 are the same this year with the talent level, and you can't say Joeckel is the clear 1 since he's no Ogden etc.
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