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Old 03-09-2013, 10:12 PM  
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Here's something I didn't expect: remember Colin Brown?
Hilariously terrible 5th round selection by Scott ***** in the famed horrific 2009 draft class?

Something like the 57th rated tackle that year?

He just got a two-year extension with the Buffalo Bills, who play him at guard but really like him at center:

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Best fit as a center (he can also play guard and even tackle), Brown was placed on the injured reserve back in October with hamstring injury, as it seemed like every Bills offensive lineman was going down with some sort of an ailment. Brown looked solid in the lone game he played this season, as he was thrust into the starting line-up at right guard in the blowout loss against the San Francisco 49ers. Brown, who filled in for Kraig Urbik (out with a high-ankle sprain), made a strong impact during his time in the game as both a run blocker and pass protector.

Generally well-liked by the fans, Colin Brown was expected to get roughly $1.3 million in restricted free agency on a one-year tender, and instead he will be getting a little bit over $1.4 million for two seasons. Still, Brown’s spot on the Buffalo Bills 2013 53-man roster is far from guaranteed, but he should be able to make it through training camp and the preseason with a spot on the roster. Brown, again, showed some promise against the 49ers and has the kind of versatility that makes him a valuable backup offensive lineman in the NFL.
The NFL, man. You never know.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:46 PM   #76
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Tyson Jackson, Ryan Succop, Jovan Belcher.

All three are/were starting caliber players at their positions.
Sorry, no.

Jackson has proven to be a backup caliber player. 30th ranked DE = backup caliber.

Jovan Belcher is ****ing dead and he wasn't even a draft pick.

Ryan Succop was a good pick but clearly the rest of that class is garbage.

I'm glad we got some depth with the #3 pick though.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:47 PM   #77
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Just talking football.
Direckshun, Pioli draft troll.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:48 PM   #78
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Just wait though. We just released a Top 5 RT to make room to draft the Pillsbury Dough Boy at number one overall. That may top the dumbassery from 09.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:48 PM   #79
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I'm trying to figure out how someone who probably has more penalties and drops than catches is a usable TE.
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Even so, most starters on a 2-14 team would be reserves elsewhere.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:51 PM   #81
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Jake O'Connell is the worst TE I have ever seen.
Lordy. That's laughable.

He's not even the worst TE the Chiefs have had this decade.

This is what I'm talking about. Seriously.

The justifiable angst about the Matt Cassel acquisition gets bled out across any player, acquisition, or coach that wasn't amazing. During the Cassel era, Chiefs fans on CP decided that there was no spectrum between garbage and great. Only that there was great, and anything short of that was automatically garbage.

That's fine, you've got to cope with the Cassel era somehow. It's just not correct.

That's how you get stuff like:

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Javarris Williams and Quinten Lawrence did absolutely nothing in the NFL
Yeah, except both still serve as reserves in the NFL.

And I guess we're supposed to throw out our understanding of team sports going back to third grade and degrade everybody who isn't a stud performer at their position as "absolutely nothing," but that philosophy isn't going to get you very far.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:53 PM   #82
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Good draft.

2010

Eric Berry -- Pro Bowler

Dexter McCluster -- some will disagree but he's a solid contributor

Javier Arenas -- starting-caliber corner, one of the league's best punt returners

Jon Asamoah -- starting guard

Tony Moeaki -- starting tight end, really damn good when he's not an injured bitch

Kendrick Lewis -- starting safety

Cameron Sheffield -- injury really stalled any chance he had
I think you're making the mistake of thinking that--because these guys are starting for us--that they're actually NFL starting-caliber players. Those are two totally different things.
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I think you're making the mistake of thinking that--because these guys are starting for us--that they're actually NFL starting-caliber players. Those are two totally different things.
Examples of starting caliber players from the 2009 1st round:

Hakeem Nicks
Eric Wood
Clay Matthews
Vontae Davis
Michael Oher
Percy Harvin
Brandon Pettigrew
Jeremy Maclin

Examples of shitty players who are not starting caliber: Tyson Jackson, Darrius Heward-Bey.

Just because you start a game doesn't mean you are a long-term starting caliber player in the NFL.
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Name a worse TE on the Chiefs than Jake O'Connell.

Merritt and Allan were totally worthless, but one could at least block and the other had some rudimentary athleticism. O'Connell was a garbage TE in a mid-major conference and only hung around b/c of the Pioli connection.
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Yeah, except both still serve as reserves in the NFL.

And I guess we're supposed to throw out our understanding of team sports going back to third grade and degrade everybody who isn't a stud performer at their position as "absolutely nothing," but that philosophy isn't going to get you very far.
Javarris Williams has 6 career rushing yards.

Quinten Lawrence is a DB who has never actually played DB in the NFL.

They are absolutely ****ing nothing. They don't exist, basically.
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Examples of starting caliber players from the 2009 1st round:

Hakeem Nicks
Eric Wood
Clay Matthews
Vontae Davis
Michael Oher
Percy Harvin
Brandon Pettigrew
Jeremy Maclin

Examples of shitty players who are not starting caliber: Tyson Jackson, Darrius Heward-Bey.
This is exatly my point.

What you just highlighted are all Top 15 players at their position.

Everything beneathe them, during the Cassel era, is automatically hot garbage.

Tyson Jackson, because he is not amazing, is automatically garbage.

As is Succop, at least to Hamas. And on it goes.

Again, that's your jam if you want it to be. It's just not correct.
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During the Cassel era, Chiefs fans on CP decided that there was no spectrum between garbage and great.
Wrong.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Jon Asamoah isn't a great player but he was a good pick and a fine starter. Many here share that opinion.

Javier Arenas is a decent reserve corner, and Tony Moeaki is OK when healthy. Slightly above average.

So you're wrong.
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im actually cheering Jake O Connell on this season to survive all the way to the final 53. Because it will not only be hilariously amazing he keeps making the team, it will piss everyone off that he takes up a roster spot for the last 5 years. Gotta love that.
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Name a worse TE on the Chiefs than Jake O'Connell.

Merritt and Allan were totally worthless, but one could at least block and the other had some rudimentary athleticism. O'Connell was a garbage TE in a mid-major conference and only hung around b/c of the ***** connection.
Ah, yes. Nothing brings out Hamas' never-before-mentioned love for previous TE debacles like his ever-more-intense hatred of Pioli.

Again, it's cool. I get it. Pioli ruined the past four years because he hitched his wagons to a QB disaster. And he deserved to be fired. I'm on board.

But allowing that existential frustration to drive you to pretend like he was the Shit version of Midas is simply incorrect.

It's probably pretty satisfying, though.
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This is exatly my point.

What you just highlighted are all Top 15 players at their position.
Michael Oher, Jeremy Maclin and Vontae Davis are not top 15 players.

Tyson Jackson isn't even average. He's shit. He's a decent backup because he's got some size/strength, but that's it.
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