Your Chance To Participate In A New Football Phenomenon (Sandbox Simulations)

[Rain Man]

I apologize if the mods think this is soliciting, and I guess it is, but at the same time it's beta testing a new product developed by long-time planeteers, and it's free.

cdcox and I have been developing a new football game for the thoughtful fan, where players build franchises and compete against each other. A description is below.

If you're interested, we're offering the game for free in Year 1 to Chiefsplanet members, with the goal of both giving the system a dry run and also hooking you like Phillip Morris. You can go to www.sandboxsimulations.com to sign up, and use the access code 6Lanier3.

Here's the overview:

Build and manage a full 53-player roster over multiple seasons, as an offseason activity to give you year-round football

Select your personnel to match your offensive and defensive scheme. Every position matters – even your blocking tight end.

Realistic and accurate simulations of league games based on head-to-head matchups against other teams in your league.


This is essentially a new concept in fantasy football that attempts to simulate as closely as possible the management of a real NFL franchise over a multi-year period. Unlike regular fantasy football, every position on the offense and defense contributes to your success or failure. On special teams, the punter, kicker, and kick returners matter.

In Sandbox Football you will build a team – an entire 53-man football team – via an initial draft, and will maintain it year after year in annual rookie drafts, trading periods, and free agency. You compete against teams in your league. In the first year of the game, before the start of the NFL season, you will build your roster by drafting veterans and rookies through separate drafts, and through trades with other teams in the league. Your roster is frozen at the beginning of the NFL season. During the real regular NFL season, you can focus on your traditional fantasy games and perhaps keep on eye on your Sandbox roster as our statistical models build the data on player performances. At the end of the regular NFL season, the Sandbox season begins. There will be 16 games in the season. In real time, the season will run about 8 weeks (2 alternate reality games per week).

Game outcomes will be simulated based on the performance of individual players during the just-completed NFL regular season. The simulations, developed by a PhD statistical expert, estimate how individual players will perform in the context of your alternate reality team competing head-to-head against other teams in the league and with the specific team that you have built. The simulations will consider the offensive and defensive schemes that you select. So you can build your roster to support a power running game or a high-flying passing attack. You can run a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense. You can run nickel formations or four-wide receiver sets. You can rotate your DL to keep them fresh.

The game is more about building a team than playing video games. So this isn't Madden, but you will have the ability to tweak your game plan to take the best advantage of your roster and the weaknesses of your opponent. Injuries are a factor in the game. If a player is unavailable during weeks 3 through 6 in the NFL, he is also unavailable during the same weeks in the alternate reality season. So roster depth matters. The game simulations are based on the most advanced statistics and the latest research regarding what matters in winning an NFL game. But, the outcomes of the games have a random component, just like real NFL games.

The calendar for the alternate reality league year will look something like this:
• Jan to Mid March: Alternate Reality regular season and playoffs.
• Mid-March to the beginning of NFL season: Roster building through trades, veteran draft (first year), free agent drafts (2nd year and beyond), and rookie draft.
• Beginning of NFL season to end of regular NFL season: Alternate reality league is dormant, but the NFL players are generating their performance stats for the up-coming AR league.
• Rinse and repeat.

Copyright Sandbox Simulations, all rights reserved.

We're still finalizing the cost structure, but this won't be an expensive game to play at all. It might range from a few bucks a year to $50 per year, depending on a few factors.

Year 1 will require a couple of days of drafting with rather high intensity, but we've got it set up where you can put your draft list together and do customized and automated drafting if you like.

So...go! Now! Time to get ready for the draft!




Note that we are still in beta testing, so things could change if we find problems in the system.


How Free Agency Works:

Free Agency will begin before the 2012 season after the rookie draft.

Our process is as follows for the 2012 season. In 2013 and beyond there will be minor changes as noted later.

1. We will unveil the list of available free agents so you can check out the talent pool.

2. If you look in "Standings", you will see that you have a salary account value of $1,300. You will use this to sign your veterans to contracts, sign your rookies to contracts, and (in a competitive bidding process) sign free agents to contracts.

The cost of a contract is as follows for players already on your roster (both veterans and rookies).

$0 - 1 season contract
$10 - 2 season contract
$22 - 3 season contract
$37 - 4 season contract
$55 - 5 season contract
$76 - 6 season contract
$100 - 7 season contract

You will sign your existing players to contracts using an interface that we will unveil shortly. If your 53-man roster is set you can spend your $1,300 on your current roster. However, it may be worthwhile to hold some money back so you can compete for free agents.

3. The free agency period begins.

Bidding for free agents will be open and competitive. As players come available, teams will be allowed to sign them if they are the high bidder. The contract length is automatically calculated by rounding down the bid to the chart below.

Contract Length (Seasons) Salary Points Bid
1 0 to 9
2 10 to 21
3 22 to 36
4 37 to 54
5 55 to 75
6 76 to 99
7 100 or more

For example, if you submit the winning bid for a player at a price of 25 salary points, that player becomes yours under a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 35 points and win, it’s also a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 38 points, it’s a 4-year contract. If you submit a bid for 120 points, it’s a 7-year contract.

For the 2012 free agency period, we will enforce the 53-man rule. You will need to cut down to 53 players before the free agency period starts, and if you sign a player to go above 53, you will need to cut a player to stay within the roster limit. NOTE: DON'T CUT YET UNLESS YOU WANT TO. WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE SYSTEM AND WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS RULE WORKS IN 2012.

4. Ending Bidding and Ending Free Agency.

Bids on an individual player will begin once the first player places a bid. For the 2012 season that bid must be $1 or more. Bidding ends when the existing high bid had not been raised for 72 hours. At that point, the high-bid team is awarded the player under the contract terms described in Step 3.

The free agency period in 2012 will end once there have been no bids on any players for 72 hours.

5. Unused Salary Points

If you do not use all of your salary points in a given year, they will roll over from year to year. This is experimental and we'll have to see how it works. If it doesn't work, they'll expire each year, or maybe a portion of the points can roll over. Right now, assume they all roll over.

6. Salary Points and Roster Management

In the Sandbox system, salary points and the salary cap are used only for acquiring players. You will never have to track the number of salary points “on your roster” and you will never have to cut a player for salary cap reasons.

Additionally, you are not obligated to keep a player for the full length of his contract. You can cut him or trade him at any time. However, recognize that it’s a waste of salary points to cut or trade a player before the end of his contract. But it doesn't hamstring you going forward - it's just past money that you wasted.

7. Free Agency and Contract Length - Retaining Your Current Players

When a player reaches the end of their contract, they go back into the free agency pool and teams will bid for their services. You are eligible to bid on them to get them back, just like you can bid on any free agents.

There is one exception to the rule of free agents going into the free agency pool, as follows:

• At the end of the bidding process, you have the opportunity to re-sign your own players by outbidding the high bidder. Your bid must be the minimum points to increase their contract period by a year over the high bid. (Example: your player goes to free agency, and another team bids 50 points for him, which equates to a 4-year contract. You can keep the player by paying 55 points for him, which is the minimum amount for a 5-year contract.) If the high bidder offered a contract of 100 points or more (7-years), you can keep the player by bidding 10% more points than the high bid.

8. Free Agency and Trades

If you trade for a player, their contract length is a consideration. Trading for a player with 6 years left on his contract will give you his services for that amount of time (unless you cut him or trade him, or he retires). Trading for a player with 1 year left on his contract means that he’ll go back into the free agency pool at the end of the season. (Of course, you can still retain him via Step 7.)

9. Future Years

In future years, the process will be identical to that shown above, with the following exceptions.

a. Because you will have a lot of veteran players under contract, you won't need $1,300. You'll get a new annual allotment of signing dollars. We're still working on the exact amount, but it looks like it'll be between $500 and $600.

b. In the 2012 season, we will introduce all free agents at once to catch up. In the 2013 season and beyond, the free agency period will occur during the actual NFL season. We will sprinkle the free agents in one division at a time over the course of the season. (The divisions may be randomly selected or we may release a calendar. It doesn't matter that much.) This system should be interesting because some free agents will come available early in the season when you don't know their performance for the year - greater risk, greater reward - while other free agents will come available later in the season when you know what their performance will be, but so does everyone else.

c. In the 2013 season and beyond, you will be able to retain more than 53 players through the rookie draft and the main free agency period. You will then have a cutdown period to get to 53 and we will have a final free agency period where you can sign any players who have been cut. In that final period you will have to enforce a 53-man roster, so if you sign a player you have to cut one.

10. When you think about the schedule in 2013 and beyond, it will go like this:

a. Sandbox season goes from February through April.
b. Rookie draft in May. No 53-man limit.
c. Free agency from (likely) September through December, with free agents sprinkled in throughout that period.
d. January. Roster cuts to 53.
e. Late January. Final free agency period to flesh out rosters and sign players cut in Step d.
f. New Sandbox season begins.

[Hammock Parties]

I could do Clemons/Shaugnessy Barber/Woodson...old corner for old corner

[lostcause]

Originally Posted by rageeumr

Meh. Clemons is probably better than Shaughnessy today, but I like Shaughnessy's upside. And I'd rather have Amendola than Banks. Banks is strictly a returner and I can use Amendola to return and in the slot.

I'm not married to Woodson, but I'd need somebody pretty good in return. My CB corps gets pretty thin after Woodson.

I would be interested in Woodson as well and be willing to package Stanford Routt.

[Rain Man]

I'll start bringing up the teams I was drafting for, starting with my own long-term team, the Duluth Pillagers. Here's our depth chart going into camp, with comments.


Duluth Pillagers - League 1


Rashard Mendenhall HB
Tim Hightower HB
Leon Washington HB
Maurice Morris HB

I like my halfbacks. I've got a good all-purpose first-stringer, a hard-running halfback, a quick third-down back, and an all-around backup.

Jerome Felton FB
Spencer Larsen FB

Two starting fullbacks. Don't know a whole lot more, but I think they're fine.

Philip Rivers QB
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB
Bruce Gradkowski QB

Big fan of my quarterbacks. I'm comfortable with my backup situation.

Hakeem Nicks WR
DeSean Jackson WR
Eddie Royal WR
Randall Cobb WR
Derrick Williams WR
Harry Douglas WR
Jeremy Horne WR

My starting guys are all small and shifty for the most part. I think Hicks and Jackson will complement each other, and Royal is a decent third receiver. I'm hoping Cobb can be my secret weapon and return man, while I've got some good all-around backups.

Greg Olsen TE
Robert Housler TE

Lacking in depth here, and waited a little too long at this position. Olsen is serviceable, and hopefully the rookie Housler will come on as my backup.

Jordan Gross LT
Alex Boone LT

Good starter, not much depth at all.

Vince Manuwai G
Jon Asamoah G
Stephen Peterman G
Kory Lichtensteiger G
Jason Pinkston G

No big-name stars, but I like them. Got some strong guards and some youth, and tons of depth with quality starters.

Ryan Kalil C
Kyle Cook C

I'm happy here. Kalil is a good young center and Cook is a fine backup.

Jeremy Trueblood RT
Ryan Harris RT
Lydon Murtha RT

Okay, this was a weird one. I drafted Harris and he got hurt. So Trueblood will come in as a starter. I drafted Murtha as a LT/RT backup, and he's out for the year. I drafted Pinkston as a rookie and he's now a starting guard. I hope Trueblood is durable.

Nick Folk K

Fine with this.

Brian Moorman P

Fine with this.

Jim Leonhard FS
Chris Prosinski FS

Leonhard is very underrated as a safety. I like the value here, and hopefully Prosinski will develop in his rookie year.

Bob Sanders SS
Reggie Smith SS

A little scary, I admit. Sanders will be good for as long as he lasts, and Smith is currently out for the short term with a minor knee injury. I could've used some more depth here.

Corey Webster CB
Rashean Mathis CB
Andre' Goodman CB
Javier Arenas CB

No stars, and I'm probably one guy short, but I like this group. Webster is young and ascending, Mathis is a pro bowl caliber guy, and Goodman is a veteran nickel with a good young dime back in Arenas. I can't afford any injuries, though.

Shaun Phillips OLB
Pat Angerer OLB
Kavell Conner OLB
Bruce Carter OLB

An interesting group. Phillips is a star, of course, and brings a pass rush. My hope is that my rookie Bruce Carter will be another star, but he's out rehabbing a knee right now. Angerer and Conner are stopgaps, but they're young and rising.

DeMeco Ryans MLB
Jameel McClain MLB

I wanted an MLB who's a run stopper, and Ryans is my guy...if he's healthy. If not, McClain will get inserted, and a Ravens linebacker is never a bad thing.

Elvis Dumervil DE
Chris Kelsay DE
Da'Quan Bowers DE
Eric Moore DE
Darryl Tapp DE
Dave Tollefson DE

Another interesting position. Dumervil is my pass-rushing end, and Kelsay is a solid DE on the other side. I'm hoping that Bowers will unseat Kelsay by the time we break camp, but we'll see.

Kevin Williams DT
Kyle Williams DT
Corey Williams DT
Peria Jerry DT
Terrell McClain DT

The Williams Wall with a spare. I invested early in two pro bowl DT's, with the goal of committing them and my MLB against the run while focusing my ends and OLBs on the pass rush. I like my DTs.

[Rain Man]

This team was abandoned early, so they missed a bunch of mid-round picks. It's going to hurt them for a while, but I think they'll still be competitive.

Round Rock Tambatornados - League 2

Michael Turner HB
Matt Forte HB
Stevan Ridley HB
Maurice Morris HB
Kevin Smith HB

I accidentally spent two high picks on halfbacks, so Forte can be on the trading block. Good depth here, and hoping to take advantage of my quick rookie Ridley on third downs.

Tony Fiammetta FB
Madison Hedgecock FB

Hedgecock got cut, so I picked up Fiammetta, who had been cut but was picked up by the Cowboys three days ago. Not an area of particular strength.

Tony Romo QB
Kerry Collins QB
Tyler Thigpen QB

I'm pretty comfortable with this group. Solid starter, greybeard backup, young developmental guy who can run.

Steve Johnson WR
Donald Driver WR
Brandon LaFell WR
Mohamed Massaquoi WR
Armanti Edwards WR
Titus Young WR

The lost draft picks hurt me here. I think Johnson and Driver are a reasonable starting pair, and LaFell has risen to be my third guy.

Jeremy Shockey TE
Dave Thomas TE
Tony Moeaki TE

Egad. Losing Moeaki for the year hurts. Shockey will have to get it done for us.

Rodger Saffold LT
Jamon Meredith LT

I think Meredith got cut, so Saffold is my guy. I'm good here as long as he's healthy.

Brandon Moore G
Chris Williams G
Chris Chester G
William Rackley G

Good starters and Chester is good depth. Rackley is a promising rookie.

Eugene Amano C
Stefen Wisniewski C

Amano is starting, and hopefully the rookie will catch him by training camp's end.

Erik Pears RT
Vernon Carey RT

Pears is my starter, and Carey is my backup even though he's been moved to guard. Could be better here.

Phil Dawson K

Fine here.

Reggie Hodges P

Who? Er, I mean, we're fine.

Jairus Byrd FS
Madieu Williams FS

Couple of good free safeties. I'm happy here.

Melvin Bullitt SS
Steve Gregory SS

I think Bullitt will do well, though he's a bit of a risk as a first-time starter.

Marcus Trufant CB
Sheldon Brown CB
Kareem Jackson CB
D.J. Moore CB
Demarcus Van Dyke CB
Brandon Hogan CB

No stars, but three guys who I think are solid. Then it's a little more unproven.

Shaun Phillips OLB
Ernie Sims OLB
Andre Carter OLB
Danny Clark OLB

Meh. Phillips is good at one spot. Sims and Carter may alternate at the other. I'd like to upgrade that spot.

Dhani Jones MLB
Stephen Tulloch MLB

Not spectacular, but Jones will get the job done.

Ray Edwards DE
Chris Kelsay DE
Raheem Brock DE
Austen Lane DE
Stephen Bowen DE

Edwards is good, and Kelsay is solid. Brock's a good backup. Not a bunch of all-stars, but they're okay.

B.J. Raji DT
Kyle Williams DT
Pat Sims DT
Nick Hayden DT
Marvin Austin DT

Got a couple of big-time tackles, so I'm in good shape. Sims is okay as the third guy. Hayden got cut and Austen is out for the year. Not as much depth as I'd like. A 3-4 team could make me an offer for Raji, but I'd need something really good in return.

[Hammock Parties]

Decent-to-good games for my starters so far:

Roddy White - 8 catches, 61 yards
Santonio Holmes - 6 catches, 70 yards
Kenny Britt - 5 catches, 136 yards, 2 TD
Kellen Winslow - 6 catches, 66 yards

Julius Peppers - 3 tackles, 2 sacks, FF
Antonio Garay - 4 tackles, 1 sack
Charles Johnson - 4 tackles, 1 sack

EJ Henderson - 9 tackles, 1 sack
D'Qwell Jackson - 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF

Quintin Mikell - 4 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Dwight Lowery - 1 tackle, 1 PD, 1 INT

[Rain Man]

Britt is a risky but good pick for you right now. Congrats.

[Rain Man]

League 1 - Clearwater Donkeys

This team got abandoned in the middle rounds and lost some ground, but not too much. However, my drafting apparently wasn't very good for them.

We have extra depth at WR, TE, C, RT, SS, and OLB to trade, and need to pick up a LT, G, 3-4 DE, and maybe some depth at FS and ILB. Anyone interested in a trade?


Maurice Jones-Drew HB
Brian Westbrook HB
Jason Snelling HB
Kregg Lumpkin HB

Good halfbacks. Got a workhorse, a third-down back, and a thumper, with depth.

Le'Ron McClain FB
Greg Jones FB
Leonard Weaver FB

Fine on the fullbacks, though my top two are nicked up. Weaver was a pro bowler before a knee injury and is good at running, catching, and blocking if needed.

Aaron Rodgers QB
Chad Henne QB
Troy Smith QB

Pretty good shape here. Yeah, pretty good shape.

Dez Bryant WR
Percy Harvin WR
Jason Hill WR
David Reed WR
Kassim Osgood WR
Leonard Hankerson WR

Odd group. Bryant and Harvin are good starters, and Jason Hill is a starter now for Jacksonville and is a good third guy. The others are all depth who can help me out. No big stars at the moment, but good long-term positioning.

Heath Miller TE
Jeremy Shockey TE
Joel Dreessen TE
Brandon Manumaleuna TE

Lots of depth, and Heath Miller is fine. Let's go with it.

James Brewer LT
Tyler Polumbus LT
Lee Ziemba LT

Yeah, this is a problem. Got a rookie starter who isn't even starting in the NFL. Problem area.

Travelle Wharton G
Deuce Lutui G
Jason Spitz G
Reggie Wells G

Another problem area. Only one NFL starter.

Jeff Saturday C
John Sullivan C

Good shape here, both short term and long term.

Gosder Cherilus RT
Khalif Barnes RT

Good shape here, both short term and long term.

Matt Prater K

Probably fine.

Mike Scifres P

Good shape here.

Earl Thomas FS

No depth at all, but otherwise fine.

Amari Spievey SS
Deon Grant SS
Bernard Pollard SS

Doing fine here. Not a star, but Spievey is a starter.

Marcus Trufant CB
Kareem Jackson CB
Demarcus Van Dyke CB
Shawntae Spencer CB

Doing good here. Solid starters and depth. Could use a dime back.

Tamba Hali OLB
Joey Porter OLB
Bryan Kehl OLB
Brooks Reed OLB

This is a strong group, especially for a 3-4 defense.

Rocky McIntosh ILB
Greg Jones ILB
Dhani Jones MLB

I like this group. McIntosh is underrated, and Jones is starting for the Giants as a rookie. Dhani's been cut, so I have no depth.

Kenyon Coleman DE
Cameron Jordan DE
Austen Lane DE
Juqua Parker DE
Mark Anderson DE

Okay, I have a problem here. I was drafting best available, and I've got some 4-3 ends in a 3-4 defense. Anyone want to trade me a 3-4 end for any of my backups? Coleman is a solid starter and Jordan isn't starting yet, so I've got a problem here.

Sione Pouha NT
Remi Ayodele DT
Ma'ake Kemoeatu NT
Lamar Divens DT

Well, my last two guys got cut. Pouha's a good starter for the Jets, and Ayodele is a starter, but in a 4-3 defense. He's got the size to back up at NT, though, so I'm fine.

[brorth]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

This team was abandoned early, so they missed a bunch of mid-round picks. It's going to hurt them for a while, but I think they'll still be competitive.

Round Rock Tambatornados - League 2

Michael Turner HB
Matt Forte HB
Stevan Ridley HB
Maurice Morris HB
Kevin Smith HB

I accidentally spent two high picks on halfbacks, so Forte can be on the trading block. Good depth here, and hoping to take advantage of my quick rookie Ridley on third downs.


Shaun Phillips OLB
Ernie Sims OLB
Andre Carter OLB
Danny Clark OLB

Meh. Phillips is good at one spot. Sims and Carter may alternate at the other. I'd like to upgrade that spot.

I need a RB, you need an OLB. Surely we can make a deal?

My OLB - Kamerion Wimbley, Pat Angerer, Connor Barwin, Erin Henderson, Brady Poppinga, Travis LaBoy, Sergio Kindle, Antwan Applewhite,

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by brorth

I need a RB, you need an OLB. Surely we can make a deal?

My OLB - Kamerion Wimbley, Pat Angerer, Connor Barwin, Erin Henderson, Brady Poppinga, Travis LaBoy, Sergio Kindle, Antwan Applewhite,

How about Matt Forte and Ernie Sims for Kamerion Wimbley and Ronnie Brown? That way we each beef up a starter and get some depth in return.

[Rain Man]

League 2 - Anchorage Eskimos

This team could use some help. We need a FB, OLB, and DT badly, and could use a backup free safety. We can upgrade at several positions.

As trade bait we have a great rookie 3-4 end in Wilkerson and another starting end from our top three. We also have depth at all offensive line positions that we can trade.

Another option would be for us to go 3-4, in which case we can trade Robert Mathis and Jabaal Sheard (good rookie starter) to get an OLB, another 3-4 DE, and maybe backups at ILB and NT.

Anyone interested?


LeSean McCoy HB
Jason Snelling HB
Isaac Redman HB
Mikel Leshoure HB

Fine at halfback with a good starter and a thumper and a backup. Leshoure is out for the year.

Lousaka Polite FB
Reagan Mauia FB

Okay, this isn't good. Both of these guys got cut. Guess I'll be using a scrub.

Colt McCoy QB
Jason Campbell QB
Greg McElroy QB

Anchorage didn't draft a QB early, so we're going west coast with McCoy or downfield with Campbell. This will be an interesting training camp battle.

Hines Ward WR
Devin Hester WR
Jacoby Ford WR
Andre Roberts WR
Vincent Brown WR
Terrell Owens WR

Okay at this position with our legitimate starters. However, Ford has a hamstring problem now.

Vernon Davis TE
Zach Miller TE
John Carlson TE

Carlson's out for the year, but we have two good starters.

Russell Okung LT
Charlie Johnson LT

Two good starters. Happy.

Chris Snee G
Jacob Bell G
Jason Spitz G
Daniel Loper G

Two good starters in Snee and Bell.

Dominic Raiola C
Chris Spencer C

Got a solid starter and solid backup.

David Stewart RT
Todd Herremans RT
Jordan Black RT

Two solid starters here. Happy.

Jay Feely K
Garrett Hartley K

Drafted Hartley and then he got hurt, so we picked up Feely.

Matt Turk P

Doin' fine.

Nick Collins FS

Great starter, no depth.

Charles Godfrey SS
Craig Dahl SS

Got two starters here, so we're happy.

Mike Jenkins CB
A.J. Jefferson CB
Leigh Bodden CB
Shawntae Spencer CB
Benny Sapp CB

Depth is scary. We have two legit starters, but it goes downhill quickly. I'd like a strong starter so I could move Jefferson to nickel.

Jarret Johnson OLB
Na'il Diggs OLB
Bruce Carter OLB

Major trouble here. Carter's rehabbing a knee and Diggs is a backup. Johnson is serviceable but not a star.

Ray Lewis MLB
Titus Brown MLB
Nate Irving ILB

Lewis and Brown are both starting caliber, though I think Brown may be hurt.

Robert Mathis DE
Israel Idonije DE
Jabaal Sheard DE
Muhammad Wilkerson DE
Stylez G. White DE

Okay, here's a position of strength. We have four starting caliber defensive ends right now, and good youth.

Vince Wilfork NT
Leger Douzable DT
C.J. Mosley DT
Matt Toeaina DT
Tony Brown DT
Junior Siavii DT

Yeah, this isn't great. Wilfork is a monster, but our next three guys are second-stringers and then it goes downhill from there. I thought Brown was going to be a starter and then he got cut of all things.

[shorman22]

i need a qb n league 2

[brorth]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

How about Matt Forte and Ernie Sims for Kamerion Wimbley and Ronnie Brown? That way we each beef up a starter and get some depth in return.

Sending proposal...

[Hammock Parties]

Does anyone in league 1 have an extra punter by chance?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by shorman22

i need a qb n league 2

Lemme look. I've got several teams under my temporary control.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Does anyone in league 1 have an extra punter by chance?

Extra kicker, but unfortunately no extra punter.