Priest is still my favorite player - Page 2

Red Dawg · 09-12-2005, 04:04 PM

and that's the way it is. LJ is better than we all hoped but Holmes brought our running game out of the dark ages and he gets my respect. O.K. so respect does not win football games but it's not like he's finished. He's still quick as hell, can break tackles and change direction like lightening to get yards.

No LJ bashing here, he is definitely big, fast and explosive with power. Great to have them both.. We can run the ball 30 per game and never wear them out.

Ultra Peanut · 09-12-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Damn you're smart! You agree with me.

Halfcan · 09-12-2005, 08:07 PM

Why should we have to pick, I think they form a perfect one-two punch. Priest was winded after his big 35 yard run and a fresh LJ came in a finished. Since TRich is hurt I would like to see both in the back field. Mybe PH screen left and LJ screen right. How do you cover that?

**alnorth** · 09-12-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

It is you that is trying to hang onto what was. I don't care what you do at your job, Priest is obviously (to most people) in his twilight years. What a pro athlete has done means absolutely nothing as opposed to other industries. It is what he can do today. LJ can do it much better than Priest as the numbers will show you if you take the time to look at them. Your years and years of experience don't apply to an aging running back. Take your mathematically inclined dumb ass back to Football 101. SF threw out Joe Montana before he completely shot craps (luckily for us). And gained a Hall of Famer in Steve Young. It happens all the time in sports. This isn't sales or whatever you do. If you value the "name on the back of the jersey" keep up your ignorant spiel. I want production and wins.

As soon as LJ has a bad couple o games while Priest rots on the bench, you'll suddenly have a change of heart and be an avid disciple of sound statistical reasoning. "Its only 2 games people! You cant judge a guy by two games, give him more time!" And then we'd be expected to have patience on and on untill the season is shot and theres nothing we can do anymore but admit a serious mistake while the rest of the league laughs at the stupid Chiefs. We have plenty of time next year for probably's and I think so's, when we arent as big a threat for the Super Bowl. You are still freaking out over an insignificant sample size.

At the end of the day, this is about winning the Super Bowl this year. Next year can take care of itself when Holmes heads for the sunset. THIS year, RIGHT now, this offense is pretty much close to its peak potential. If you replaced Priest with some of the best backs in history, we do not significantly improve. Given that, I dont see any upside to giving an unproven half-a-season wonder the starting job and risking a decrease in performance. I do support giving him a gradually increasing workload as he ramps up to the prime of his career, but not at the expense of winning right now this season. If we were not going to contend for anything and had a veteran who was probably better but would be gone in a year or 2, then I'd start LJ, but we arent rebuilding here.

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

As soon as LJ has a bad couple o games while Priest rots on the bench, you'll suddenly have a change of heart and be an avid disciple of sound statistical reasoning. "Its only 2 games people! You cant judge a guy by two games, give him more time!" And then we'd be expected to have patience on and on untill the season is shot and theres nothing we can do anymore but admit a serious mistake while the rest of the league laughs at the stupid Chiefs. We have plenty of time next year for probably's and I think so's, when we arent as big a threat for the Super Bowl. You are still freaking out over an insignificant sample size.

At the end of the day, this is about winning the Super Bowl this year. Next year can take care of itself when Holmes heads for the sunset. THIS year, RIGHT now, this offense is pretty much close to its peak potential. If you replaced Priest with some of the best backs in history, we do not significantly improve. Given that, I dont see any upside to giving an unproven half-a-season wonder the starting job and risking a decrease in performance. I do support giving him a gradually increasing workload as he ramps up to the prime of his career, but not at the expense of winning right now this season. If we were not going to contend for anything and had a veteran who was probably better but would be gone in a year or 2, then I'd start LJ, but we arent rebuilding here.

I only read the first two sentences of your post. That's all I neede to read. You say inadequate sample size while you ignore his college career + his 5 or 6 games last year. fuck your mathematics. They just don't apply to aging running backs. This is absolutely the dumbest discussion I have ever been in on the Planet and believe me, it isn't going to last much longer. I don't argue with idiots. For the last time, mathematical formulae do not apply to football players. You don't even appear to watch the games or even to know anything about football. You just seem to want to argue something you know nothing about. On another thread you were telling this entire board that we were all missing the big point while you were in complete grasp of it. That great revelation turned out to be that we were all basing our opinion on nine, that is 9 carries. You are an ignorant and very insulting dumbass to even say something like that on this forum. Once it was pointed out to you that we were aware of LJ's college career as well as his performance last year in 5 games plus his breaking several TD runs in each of the last two preseasons, you changed tacks. Now it is statistically possible for you and your infinite wisdom to predict the success of a RB with mathematics. Predictably, your less enlightened collegues couldn't follow your brilliance so you dismissed them. You, sir are one ignorant fellow when it comes to pro football. If you could actually do what you claim with mathematics your services would be widely sought after by every NFL team. For a 6 figure + salary. You have been exposed for the fraud you are. It is quite obvious you haven't seen LJ run over LB's then outrun DB's. And, you haven't noticed Priest slowing down and ending each of the last two seasons injured. I don't think you even watch the games. If you do, then you don't know about what you are seeing. To say Priest will last till 2007 just illustrates how ignorant you truly are about football. He made noises about retiring this year. Or didn't you know that? I will not argue with you any further as it is obvious you know nothing about this subject. There is a guy on here named Parker that may want to tear you a new asshole but I'm through arguing with an idiot.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-12-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Heh. You're dreaming if you think the Chiefs AND/OR Larry Johnson honor that original contract.

I never said that the original contract would be seen through to the end. I just commented on the fact that we have no worries of other teams "looking at him".

**Skip Towne** · 09-12-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

I never said that the original contract would be seen throught to the end. I just commented on the fact that we have no worries of other teams "looking at him".

Hey, Saul, do you know how long LJ's contract runs? Typically rookie contracts are for five years but some vary. (see Maurice Clarett) I hope it is for a longer term because right now he'd tell us to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. With good reason. We're dicking him around for a twilight guy when he should be putting up big numbers. If I were LJ I'd tell us to GFY and exit as soon as possible. Then sell myself to the highest bidder. That would be a considerable amount of geetus even with how little he's played. His potential + his youth = beaucoup dollars. He looks like a black John Riggins to me. Big enough to run over LB's and fast eough to outrun DB's. You don't see that combination very often. I've seen it like 4 times in 50 years. Riggins, Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker and ? The guys that want to hang on to Priest during his twilight years don't realize what they are about to squander. I suspect they are young guys that haven't experienced what a truly special RB can do for a team. LJ has that quality.

**alnorth** · 09-12-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I only read the first two sentences of your post. That's all I neede to read. You say inadequate sample size while you ignore his college career + his 5 or 6 games last year. fuck your mathematics blah blah blah blah blah.

I only read the first two sentances of your post. Thats all I need to read. You say his college career proves he will be an elite back in the NFL. fuck your college stats, they sometimes show potential but the RB graveyard is littered with the corpses of players who were good in college and didnt do dick in the NFL.

You know what Skip, untill now at least I didnt take this personally, you assh*le. I tried to make my point reasonably without sinking down to childish 3rd-grade sandbox name-calling, you whiney little baby.

I didnt "change tacts", if you think Priest's stats last year were irrelevant, than so is LJ's, especially when he averaged a whopping zero point 2 more ypc. Whoop-dee-freakin-doo. As far as this year is concerned you have nine carries. Take away one play and we arent having this conversation.

You may not be able to plot a player's career on a chart, but last year's stats have to mean something for Priest, or they dont mean anything for LJ either, you cant have it both ways. Especially when Priest has years of history and no significant decline. If you wanna argue that Priest has declined, your gonna look silly if the numbers dont even show it.

But no that last couple paragraphs probably flew right over your head, because if someone doesnt agree with you and you alone, they arent worth talking to, so why bother. I know how to disagree with someone and still respect their opinion at the end of the day. You cant even handle an adult conversation, so your not worth my time anymore.

Wallcrawler · 09-13-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

And, you haven't noticed Priest slowing down and ending each of the last two seasons injured. I don't think you even watch the games. If you do, then you don't know about what you are seeing.

Well, o wise one, it seems you havent been paying that close attention either.

1. Priest finished the entire season before last, breaking the scoring record with 27 touchdowns while coming back from career threatening hip surgery.

2. Priest was hurt in week 8 last year, but by that time he had racked up 15 rushing touchdowns and a receiving touchdown already, in only 8 games. Another guy considered to be one of the best backs in the league, Ladanian Tomlinson, played all season and finished with 17 rushing touchdowns and one receiving touchdown, only 2 more scores than Priest got, but playing 8 more games. Yeah boy, Priest was really slippin, wasnt he. Gimme a break.

Priest could have come back to play for the team last year, but since the team was out of playoff contention anyway, they just gave Priest the rest of the season to get his batteries recharged, and get Johnson some game experience.

Priest was on pace to break his own single season scoring record, in case you missed that.

Not only that, but on his second carry of the game in the opener against the Jets, he busted off the biggest run he had since the 13-3 season with 35 yards.

Not exactly my idea of slowing down.

To say Priest will last till 2007 just illustrates how ignorant you truly are about football.

Really? And what qualifies you to know what the future holds for Priest Holmes? Just out of curiosity.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-13-2005, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Hey, Saul, do you know how long LJ's contract runs? Typically rookie contracts are for five years but some vary. (see Maurice Clarett) I hope it is for a longer term because right now he'd tell us to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. With good reason. We're dicking him around for a twilight guy when he should be putting up big numbers. If I were LJ I'd tell us to GFY and exit as soon as possible. Then sell myself to the highest bidder. That would be a considerable amount of geetus even with how little he's played. His potential + his youth = beaucoup dollars. He looks like a black John Riggins to me. Big enough to run over LB's and fast eough to outrun DB's. You don't see that combination very often. I've seen it like 4 times in 50 years. Riggins, Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker and ? The guys that want to hang on to Priest during his twilight years don't realize what they are about to squander. I suspect they are young guys that haven't experienced what a truly special RB can do for a team. LJ has that quality.

See post #7

Johnson is signed through 2010.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-13-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Hey, Saul, do you know how long LJ's contract runs? Typically rookie contracts are for five years but some vary. (see Maurice Clarett) I hope it is for a longer term because right now he'd tell us to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. With good reason. We're dicking him around for a twilight guy when he should be putting up big numbers. If I were LJ I'd tell us to GFY and exit as soon as possible. Then sell myself to the highest bidder. That would be a considerable amount of geetus even with how little he's played. His potential + his youth = beaucoup dollars. He looks like a black John Riggins to me. Big enough to run over LB's and fast eough to outrun DB's. You don't see that combination very often. I've seen it like 4 times in 50 years. Riggins, Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker and ? The guys that want to hang on to Priest during his twilight years don't realize what they are about to squander. I suspect they are young guys that haven't experienced what a truly special RB can do for a team. LJ has that quality.

You mean like lead the league in rushing, break the single season TD mark, be 2 games away from the GREATEST SEASON EVER for a running back only to see it dashed due to a freak injury. Come back from that injury and not only break said TD record but produce over 2100 offensive yards. And in 4 years average 19 TD's and 1400 yards. Is that the type of "special" running back you are talking about?

**Mr. Kotter** · 09-13-2005, 06:55 AM

FWIW, Priest is still MY favorite player too.

MOhillbilly · 09-13-2005, 07:06 AM

We should have traded holmes this spring. Hes part of the reason the D has alongway to go.
His 'i wanna get paid' cost KC a D-player in the draft.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-13-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

We should have traded holmes this spring. Hes part of the reason the D has alongway to go.
His 'i wanna get paid' cost KC a D-player in the draft.

What?!!!

You have got to be kidding me............

MOhillbilly · 09-13-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs_Mike_Topeka

What?!!!

You have got to be kidding me............

KC drafted LJ,because holmes was holding out. Now that LJ has made the grade. and PH hasnt finished a season healthy in years.
It would have been nice to p/u a star DB,DE. instead of having capable players riding the pine(an embaressment of riches)

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 09-13-2005, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

KC drafted LJ,because holmes was holding out. Now that LJ has made the grade. and PH hasnt finished a season healthy in years.
It would have been nice to p/u a star DB,DE. instead of having capable players riding the pine(an embaressment of riches)

Holmes was not holding out, Carl did not have faith that Priest could come back healthy after his hip injury. Vermiel wanted a defensive player in that draft! But not only did Priest come back he PLAYED THE ENTIRE YEAR and broke the single season TD mark in the Chiefs 13-3 season. Can't really say it has been "years" since Priest finished a season healthy.

09-12-2005, 04:04 PM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4822858	Priest is still my favorite player and that's the way it is. LJ is better than we all hoped but Holmes brought our running game out of the dark ages and he gets my respect. O.K. so respect does not win football games but it's not like he's finished. He's still quick as hell, can break tackles and change direction like lightening to get yards. No LJ bashing here, he is definitely big, fast and explosive with power. Great to have them both.. We can run the ball 30 per game and never wear them out.
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09-12-2005, 08:07 PM	#17
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Why should we have to pick, I think they form a perfect one-two punch. Priest was winded after his big 35 yard run and a fresh LJ came in a finished. Since TRich is hurt I would like to see both in the back field. Mybe PH screen left and LJ screen right. How do you cover that?
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09-13-2005, 06:55 AM	#26
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5945285	FWIW, Priest is still MY favorite player too. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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MOhillbilly Mama Tried Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9949903	We should have traded holmes this spring. Hes part of the reason the D has alongway to go. His 'i wanna get paid' cost KC a D-player in the draft. __________________ True Son of Liberty
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