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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:04 PM   #361
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If we can't agree on anything else, at least we can agree that our country would be better off if Barack Obama were to step down and let someone else, even Joe Biden, rebuild our government's credibility. Right?
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:06 PM   #362
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If we can't agree on anything else, at least we can agree that our country would be better off if Barack Obama were to step down and let someone else, even Joe Biden, rebuild our government's credibility. Right?
I would only agree if it was you running the country. Otherwise no.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:10 PM   #363
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Obama is a douche, but not a douche because he wants to keep things like 911 or the Boston Marathon from happening again.

The best thing about this 'giant' scandal is Bush and Cheney (for pat) being vindicated.

I wonder if crow served from 2003 really sucks to our liberal friends. I'd pick a big cold beer instead of wine. Easier to choke down.
Huh? Among many other things, they engaged in warrantless wiretapping. So, actual wiretapping (not just a record of a # called), plus no outside approval. Simply went around FISA. Just ignored it. They decided they didn't need to follow it.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:13 PM   #364
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What probable cause is there to record who I call, when and for how long?
The phone company does that, not the govt.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:17 PM   #365
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If we can't agree on anything else, at least we can agree that our country would be better off if Barack Obama were to step down and let someone else, even Joe Biden, rebuild our government's credibility. Right?
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:21 PM   #366
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Obama has certainly disgraved himself like I've never seen. You tube only makes it worse as it will get replay like we've never had during a presidential crash and burn.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:25 PM   #367
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The fact the Obama administration has prosecuted whistleblowers at twice the rate as any other president is pretty disturbing too.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:29 PM   #368
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The fact the Obama administration has prosecuted whistleblowers at twice the rate as any other president is pretty disturbing too.
Like I said...they have repeatedly tried to remove the protections for federal employees in the whistle blower act.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:37 PM   #369
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Huh? Among many other things, they engaged in warrantless wiretapping. So, actual wiretapping (not just a record of a # called), plus no outside approval. Simply went around FISA. Just ignored it. They decided they didn't need to follow it.
You really are LOL.

Are you telling me after 911 Obama wouldn't have done the same thing?
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:38 PM   #370
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Huh? Among many other things, they engaged in warrantless wiretapping. So, actual wiretapping (not just a record of a # called), plus no outside approval. Simply went around FISA. Just ignored it. They decided they didn't need to follow it.
They didn't just ignore it. They followed the law established by Congress and faithfully subjected the program to both executive branch safeguards and Congressional oversight. With the near 100% record of approvals from the FISA court since the law was changed, I don't think much has really changed.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:45 PM   #371
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The fact the Obama administration has prosecuted whistleblowers at twice the rate as any other president is pretty disturbing too.
Russ Tice, said last night on TV, that there's never really been much teeth in the whistleblower law.
He also said those laws do not apply to the NSA. Tice is the guy that O'Reilly and Limbaugh attacked when he exposed that those who lead the National Security Agency had violated laws.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:49 PM   #373
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They didn't just ignore it. They followed the law established by Congress and faithfully subjected the program to both executive branch safeguards and Congressional oversight. With the near 100% record of approvals from the FISA court since the law was changed, I don't think much has really changed.
Imagine if Pearl Harbor would have happened with the Japanese planes all launching from Hawaii.

Yeah, as President, you're going to react within your powers to keep it from happening again.

JFC I'm defending Obama on this and cosmo wants to throw politics into it.
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