Chiefs Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? - Page 3

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 08:46 AM

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313

**Dave Lane** · 01-04-2013, 10:29 AM

He has some damn good points and yes there are question marks with Andy Reid however all coaches that are retreads are going to have some kind of flaw or they'd still be hired.

HonestChieffan · 01-04-2013, 10:32 AM

Jasons attachment to KC is now severed. He can move on to things like he did yesterday calling Thomas Sowell a house n.......

Go away jason.

KC_Connection · 01-04-2013, 10:42 AM

Whitlock is right as usual, even if some don't want to admit it right now. Reid seems like a clear improvement on what they had and his presence meant the end of Pioli (the biggest benefit of his hiring), but the Eagles have been a complete underachieving shitshow for a few years now. There's a reason Philly badly wanted him out. He certainly wouldn't have been my #1 choice, but I'll accept it for now if it means real change.

**petegz28** · 01-04-2013, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Whitlock is right as usual. Reid seems like a clear improvement on what they had and his presence meant the end of Pioli (the biggest benefit of his hiring), but the Eagles have been a complete shitshow for a few years now. There's a reason Philly wanted him out.

The Chiefs weren't real great the last few years of Marty either.

formerdb · 01-04-2013, 10:44 AM

Whitlock is dead on.
Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Whitlock is right as usual. Reid seems like a clear improvement on what they had and his presence meant the end of Pioli (the biggest benefit of his hiring), but the Eagles have been a complete shitshow for a few years now. There's a reason Philly badly wanted him out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

The Chiefs weren't real great the last few years of Marty either.

Pretty much. Remember when jwhit predicted the 16-0 season? Marty went on to resurrect the Chargers franchise despite having a terrible relationship with AJ Smith.

BlackHelicopters · 01-04-2013, 10:47 AM

Some days I agree with Whitlock, sometimes I don't. Very strong in his opinions, misguided or not.

Frazod · 01-04-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Jasons attachment to KC is now severed. He can move on to things like he did yesterday calling Thomas Sowell a house n.......

Go away jason.

This. **** off and die, Shitlock.

FloridaMan88 · 01-04-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by formerdb

Whitlock is dead on.
Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.

Having John Dorsey on board as GM will help with the personnel issues.

As far as pass happy... newsflash... that is how you win in today's NFL.

lcarus · 01-04-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

I love it when Whitlock pretends to be street.

A whooooole family of HUSTLERS!

KC_Connection · 01-04-2013, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

The Chiefs weren't real great the last few years of Marty either.

True. All I really know is that they better find themselves a good QB if the Reid brand of the Chiefs is going to be successful.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by formerdb

Whitlock is dead on.
Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.

Flacco still your favorite QB in the NFL?

suzzer99 · 01-04-2013, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by formerdb

Whitlock is dead on.
Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.

And still he's 1000x better than what we just had.

**HemiEd** · 01-04-2013, 10:55 AM

I have the very same reservations about Reid, but at this point, I am very happy about the addition by subtraction.

No more Patriot way, Scott Pioli or Matt Cassel. The latter went on 3 1/2 years longer than it should have. 3 1/2 years of my life I will never get back.

I have given all of the HC hires the benefit of doubt all the way back to Paul Wiggen until the show they can't do the job. Until Andy Reid proves he doesn't deserve my support, I am 100% behind him. Right now he is batting 0 for 0 as the KC Head Coach.

Ace Gunner · 01-04-2013, 11:02 AM

Reid is a good coach, but JW brings forward a point of concern when he says Reid's success was always coupled with DC Johnson's defense.

I welcome Reid's WCO offense -- it will fit the offensive personnel in place, mostly.

01-04-2013, 08:46 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6774952	Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet. I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed. The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs. Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass. I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea. Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making. Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012. Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful. But Reid is a unique retread. A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed. My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points. The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her. Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too. There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid. Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run. The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly. If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin. Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years. This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach. Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s. For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other. Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $5492783	Whitlock is right as usual, even if some don't want to admit it right now. Reid seems like a clear improvement on what they had and his presence meant the end of Pioli (the biggest benefit of his hiring), but the Eagles have been a complete underachieving shitshow for a few years now. There's a reason Philly badly wanted him out. He certainly wouldn't have been my #1 choice, but I'll accept it for now if it means real change.
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01-04-2013, 10:44 AM	#35
formerdb Student of the game Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Casino cash: $10004925	Whitlock is dead on. Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.
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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3400564	I have the very same reservations about Reid, but at this point, I am very happy about the addition by subtraction. No more Patriot way, Scott Pioli or Matt Cassel. The latter went on 3 1/2 years longer than it should have. 3 1/2 years of my life I will never get back. I have given all of the HC hires the benefit of doubt all the way back to Paul Wiggen until the show they can't do the job. Until Andy Reid proves he doesn't deserve my support, I am 100% behind him. Right now he is batting 0 for 0 as the KC Head Coach.
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